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-- to the man at the center of this had to say scandal.
-- Snowden dismissing former Vice President Dick Cheney is charged that he is nothing more than a traitor -- -- galling that and I quote here at the highest honor for an American -- we make things.
But the fact that many prominent Democrats and Republicans -- indicates the uphill battle -- self proclaimed whistle -- faces.
Just to clear his good name Thomas Drake knows firsthand.
The former NSA senior executive blew the whistle on the agency's secret surveillance programs that in 2006 he was later indicted under the Espionage Act and -- 35 years in prison before federal felony charges.
We're eventually dropped but not -- -- break himself exhausted all of his retirement savings just defending himself and his good name.
He now works and apples or mr.
dregs it was a right now.
On very good to have you -- any advice.
For Ed -- because he'll likens himself to guys like view is it.
Well I believe he -- the whistle blower I believe you disclose critical information.
In the public insurance and it's certainly revealing some significant contours.
A what's become -- a systemic leviathan surveillance state.
You know here's the difference I when I studied your case and certainly mr.
You can run anywhere Thomas I mean you he stated the United States and and dealt with.
Our hearts go out ridiculous -- He goes to Hong Kong.
And it it it's been raising a question among even those who want to believe he's a whistle blower -- doing it.
You know the personal freedom thing that he's not he's doing his thing.
Well I think -- a legitimate concerns based on my own history and others this administration on -- unlike all.
Other measures combined has gone up after whistle -- in 2000 extraordinarily heavy hand.
Utilize the Espionage Act a World War I era -- designed to go after spies not whistle blowers.
And given the harsh treatment we received the fact that I face all those decades in prison.
I'm quite certain he realized that -- remained in the US -- his ability -- to stave Frey was written to me very very short -- who has a much better chance all right so you might.
You're saying though that he looked in your case and others like you -- little blow the whistle and then you know mightily to regret that you didn't you did the right thing and -- rule book.
Not since you had to deal with afterwards.
That he looked in your case it said that's not gonna be -- but they're more channels where they're not at the NSA.
And beyond the inspector general's office where he could have done that it indeed it's like he didn't even attempt.
Well I did that myself -- the history that's been published and all all those personal of ballot in fact I was -- -- -- -- then.
-- an odd term -- tremendous amount of administrative and bureaucratic retribution reprisals.
Simple simply for bringing truth about these they -- wrongdoing and you'll -- programs as well as massive fraud waste and abuse.
I actually went to congress and the department of 101000 material witness in in several different that's gazans including 2911 investigations.
All that history was impressed in fact even the final report to -- are from the department defense.
Offices -- -- all and that was reduced shortly after -- My case collapsed spectacularly.
Under the weight of truth it was extraordinarily redacted you could hardly tell what was -- -- it.
-- you couldn't even admitted himself in public on but you know what it does prompt a lot of Americans a look at this.
How many had or even have access to the -- of you did -- -- did.
And that may be too many do and that may be others notice all right over a hundred million Americans on our records and being collected.
And he didn't think much of that is just said all right well over on a million Americans on records are being collected and others may be like you -- -- like mr.
so it's not to say that's -- Giving -- -- then the benefit of the doubt on that and and been -- -- the jury's still out but but.
How many do you think.
Just see and hear and look and examine outrageous stuff and just shrugged his shoulders well whatever.
And and just file the papers go go past the computer databases and just do their job.
That's yeah I get along to go along they're not gonna raise their voices and are gonna say -- because they recognize that they do.
The internal bureaucracy and an administration will come down hard on them and that's pretty that's pretty clear under this and I mean just.
I mean this administration is extraordinarily.
Harsh army were -- did wrong.
As that you say that it didn't many argue that it was going to be a complete counter.
So the Bush Administration in that it would be much less intrusive much less inclined.
It's activated after the levels it did what happened.
I think -- the president became rather enamored.
By secrecy and the extraordinary power he had his disposal I mean one of the big opens the -- here is what is all this information -- secret information.
This vast amount information being use it.
Is it being re purpose -- to go after political enemies is it is -- for monitoring those you don't like where are seen evidence of that with the IRS.
I think what -- -- or what what you heard today -- deputy director of the FBI saying well.
However unseemly it might strike you not news resolutely -- it has stopped and thwarted a number of terror attacks.
-- does that give you any more sanguine view of us.
Not at all because that's the only thing they can really hide behind now and I would actually challenges say.
How many of those were based solely on the secrets -- -- programs not -- any other means not judicial law enforcement.
Not to local citizens three and police are just being very aware of what was going around and -- the situation warrants.
I -- this did this would.
I'm Grissom but orbited you'll indulge -- and win.
And how do you act on something like -- let's say you have proves -- right they're -- have over a hundred million Americans phone records.
What did they do with now they they say we have that database and can cross reference it in their -- algorithms you can build on that.
-- a -- calls -- go to Yemen Nadia it but but.
Once sales records are given to the NSA were ordered from the NSA what happens to them.
They have them and they intended to keep him as long as possible I mean this is what's happening -- vast amounts of information.
And in extraordinary secrecy and there is there's -- obviously the real issue is.
His potential or actual abuse.
I mean this if you were talking about a suspicion was that largest the specialists surveillance system in you and and human history.
And we're talking just from Verizon alone that's just the tip of the iceberg what about the other telcos and all of their numbers and is a hundred million plus records the united -- that in order it is not just -- -- out will be on yes and it stretches the bounds of incredulity.
That the administration -- -- public although there's no names associate with those numbers are quite taken a white papers I mean a white -- white pages -- -- the traditional phone book.
Of business names and residential names and just say -- ignore the names that you see on all those pages.
And it's an interest in points on history.
Thank you very much good having.
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