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A higher standard.
I I think there should be a higher standard but I also think we -- should recognize that one case we're talking about a virtual world -- surreal world.
And there are accommodations that have to be mean.
Or a virtual world in which we in fact do not live but our information our data and -- and hire some of our most private concerns do.
You make a wonderful observation talking about a few -- The feudal era and -- serve Sam go lords and and the way in which we are treated.
As consumers and users and I think you're -- -- exact and that.
Do you think that that it's going to persist for some time.
I think it's still going to be for a while it made and that's the way the world works if you have -- -- the picket accompany it ran an apple.
If you have an iPhone an at an Apple Computer and you date is in the iCloud.
Trusting that apple protecting you giving them all your data is a lot of convenience -- there's a reason you do it.
But you hope that their interest aligned with yours now in a lot of these cases FaceBook as an example Google you're not their customer.
-- their product they sell to their customers.
So than normal customer vendor relationship doesn't apply in the same way.
And it's the fact that we are increasingly the product that are -- the product makes us.
Really into assertion of these companies producing data that they used to sell to advertisers and did to the government's.
I think we're I think that you make thanks -- the -- point.
But I think we're after persistent that pointed -- and extended out.
-- -- we can't you talk about we make this trade off.
-- our privacy for convenience.
Of the alignment of interest.
What to be a greater alignment of interest than an NSA and the government that is acting on our interest to protect us from terrorists.
What could be a greater convenience and to still be alive at the end of the day things through this.
-- broad surveillance program.
And I I -- there's a certain political.
If you will.
Group in this country.
Identifiable easily identified that it really -- -- the NSA doing precisely what Google.
And FaceBook are doing.
But in each instance.
Their their actual almost analogous.
In in both the alignment as you say of interest.
And the convenience the trade off it is not always conscious not even always.
Understood by concerns.
Fred this is what we need to understand -- -- the question is.
What's being done and how effective is so who can we are the taxpayers where the ones who pay for this where the ones who make that trade off.
So we need to be told.
How effective these programs are there's been a lot of weasel -- they they might have been affected in some things examples have been given turn out to be false.
We don't know where these programs do any good.
No we don't know how much they cost write me this is a good use of our money.
But I know about data might as anybody activities at the very unlikely to be effective.
This is why should keep this -- -- secrecy is bad we transparency and accountability.
You talking about the IRS at the same thing we can't be judged in secret this is our government.
Where -- we need to know what the government's doing understand they're doing they do a good job great at doing a lousy job we need to fix it.
But for that we need the information and this is what's -- -- that was so good he -- gave us.
Some information but with the government is doing in our name with our money.
Let's find out if it's effective we -- that we've never seen the case it's effective we've never seen a case of cost affects a wire.
People than challenging the business models.
These and and these in the aggregate.
Highly concentrated and powerful group of companies that could as easily be called and -- darkly.
That is FaceBook and apple and Microsoft.
That I mentioned FaceBook when we do so again.
-- I mean these are some of the intellectual with it to me intellectually disturbing.
Inconsistencies and inconsistencies.
When we start to look at those -- we -- bear something else everybody should be aware of and that is the politics of those who are most exercised about said the NSA.
And those who are beginning to get pretty exercised about.
Corporate is poorly driving.
The virtual world of which we.
Find great convenience and -- But the minute two reasons one I mentioned is that the harms are less great bench being shown the wrong and because -- -- classified.
Very different than being investigated -- -- classified and the second is coming at different don't have enough mortal world almost well.
But we know just about everybody you get a silly we.
It was almost ubiquitous everyone is being.
-- Privacy is being invaded.
By the corporate.
There is a very narrow small number.
Who are being investigated by the government.
They are not analogous on either side scale or.
Incident but we're gonna have to pick this event as well as you said -- you're getting -- we we -- talk for come on back let's continue the conversation.
I I think it's a fascinating.
Our perspective you bring to it and that we appreciate insurance.
C'mon back and thank you first -- we appreciate it up next.
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