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While apple Yahoo! Google and Microsoft -- claim they.
Now -- and they claim that they knew nothing about the so called -- surveillance program.
But our next guest says we've already given up control of day today.
Computing platforms to the very companies.
Under discussion joining us.
To discuss whether or not we have any control at all over our privacy and security on the web Bruce Meyer.
He's a security expert author of wires and out -- enabling.
The trust that society needs to thrive -- it's great to have you lived here and I I I'm I think that you.
You know as a security expert.
Are you probably have had the best opportunity to explain to us why anyone should not start laughing now blob.
When Google and apple and FaceBook start talking about they deserve more respect from us.
They did they just you know than just a few thousand requests from.
In SA and other agencies.
When indeed there are the ones that are actually taking our personal and private information and disseminating them across the web -- -- Well -- and we're giving it to that.
It's not that they're taking it to mean the NSA scandal has to do with the NSA taking -- surreptitiously more giving the data to these companies.
In some ways that's the way the web works that you.
They need us to trust them with our -- our friends are photos.
But they're real business is betraying that trust sold to advertisers write that's their business model.
And they make.
Other try to hide it some -- their their -- -- somewhat but they really rely on us not noticing yeah and the fact I had a sideline.
Betraying us the government is well is just one more thing.
Yeah you know I'm I'm I'm curious about this was I by the way I didn't say that the companies took the information I said they disseminated it in various ways.
Across the web.
And that's that's the business -- FaceBook in particular it doesn't care what your privacy.
Preferences are they're going to do what they will and dukes ago.
Yet at the same time want to -- some sort of purity.
As it relates to what the NSA or other agencies have done.
I find that utterly mad.
That people are buying that -- -- almost on question -- question.
Well there's a conflict of interest here I mean these are the very same types of correlations.
That you -- prism.
That FaceBook and Google and others do to better serve you ads right -- the difference is going to be the false positives.
If Google makes a mistake they actually show you what -- for a car you don't want to say.
If the NSA makes a mistake to maybe get arrested.
So the same algorithms that could work and advertising.
Don't work the same way when the government tries to do them to do -- things.
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