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-- Dick Cheney says that's no he's no hero that he's no whistle blow up bridges -- what we've -- didn't say that but.
We thought it was a good play on words but just some former whistle -- see that as -- biggest problem -- -- -- judge's point.
To those in power -- once in power see those who sits on powerful whatever good intentions as the problem.
Two whistle blowers William today and date current we'd be all right mr.
-- to you -- I think that Dick Cheney was all but saying it's no means a chump.
-- -- Actually no I mean after all he's done great public service here by exposing the crimes -- the government be unconstitutional activity of the government basically.
And that that's something they have to justify.
To the it to the people that they have to do in fact they can't do that because it's not necessary.
-- you know that -- mystery -- you encountered the same sort of frustration from a higher ups that -- -- and since.
Cool all but say well you know they just today -- -- their cattle wells and they compromised a lot of things are getting this out.
And here you were arguing -- I'm trying to make people aware of something pretty and it's going on.
And it's a cyclist has a lot of times I don't know the -- is -- I don't know enough about that to say whether he -- follows.
In the end and then you're more -- -- footsteps but I worry about how we immediately.
But you know label someone the way we have.
Well I -- -- we -- need to go cautiously here.
But I do share the concern.
When the guy runs off the -- and now he's talking about.
GC HT Rosie that's what bothers me that he denies that he did that does that.
Send a signal CU that he can't be trusted or that he has an agenda.
We don't know I don't think tiger I think it's totally played out yet but I think we're getting a sense started mr.
-- wanted to get a.
That well I I think he had a package of -- that he passed off to the guardian and the Washington Post.
And I think they're letting out little by little now so I'm not sure who's making the determination what they -- in the public and what they don't.
But if you go to China let's say on companies that yeah -- -- to -- Yeah presumably you -- more stuff available and whether it's been released all a mess is anyone's guess but.
You're you're not sticking around here to release in other -- you're not going to an inspector general or you're not going to the media to hire up to let them know.
Something that concerns you or alarmed zero.
Now in in both of your cases.
You stuck in this country and and you did try I think to go through your proper channels and you were all but ignored right.
That's correct so explain it then maybe it in your case is to review what happened to you.
Well we did we we went to congress we were ignored we went to the inspector general of the United States Department of Defense.
An extensive report was issued but it was so highly classified that it was essentially buried from public -- -- open.
So nothing change -- absolutely not and it's.
Win win back deal went to the inspector general of the Department of Justice to.
And we -- him.
Let everybody but he's up here -- -- -- know of some trying to give god mr.
Snowden the benefit of the doubt here and say maybe.
He's not a dumb get ever makes a big deal daggers a high school drop out always apparently was a genius on computers so we'll leave that out of it but.
The one thing that it occurs to me is -- media looked at that you did treatment you guys Scott and others.
And said well let -- -- that on that a here.
Because I know this is like -- talking into a megaphone facing -- can know when he.
-- yeah I I would agree with that assessment that's what we believe as well.
We saw what happened to us so it you're if you -- the -- of the doubt on that he's not to detainees point.
A scoundrel I don't know that makes him a hero but he's not as bad as we've officially made about to be do you agree either yeah I think that's true.
All right so what is the message gentlemen for.
Future whistle blowers were those who find something alarming under their wives and apparently one point three more million Americans.
Have this same security or or clearance that that that -- did.
I don't know if that's accurate but even assuming it's half -- -- a lot of people who run across this type of data.
Absolutely in fact what what the Snowden.
Experience tells you.
Is that government has no real way of monitoring who's doing what with that -- on their network.
They only find after I after the fact that somebody took it out -- -- doing something within two exposes.
They really don't they don't they have no online check of things that are being part of the files that are being interrogated who's going into them.
What they're taking out of them they don't monitor that as that happens.
So I'm looking at this as will be announcing the way all of this is going down and I'm thinking I've worked at an agency and I stumble across something that doesn't seem right.
I'm not gonna go to my authority on the I'm listening hear what you guys went through and by the same token -- I'd I don't know -- -- -- Kong.
My maybe I don't say swat may be -- stumble upon something alarming in on this too afraid to mention it to anyone.
Well and and and therein is the problem you know the government needs to create a path for whistle blowers in the intelligence community.
That is clear and safe.
So that we don't confront these pressure cooker situations.
Where we have a major explosion of classified information.
But that means that them.
The government has to be open to that sort of criticism -- that's -- that's really the problem the government can't face their problems.
That's why they continue to have the same problems they never saw them because they can't face them.
Every time something gets exposed they do everything they -- covered up.
You know you guys are proof that you can live to tell about it the Florida -- went -- just a bit just to deal with -- I admire you both -- thank you both for joining us.
Thank you real pleasure.
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