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Trying to figure out -- real motives things are heating up even more.
For those he's implicated the conservative group freedom watch has filed two class action lawsuits against the government and the companies involved in the NSA scandal.
Are you sitting down.
They're hoping to score whopping 23 billion dollar victory.
Joining me now is really hard.
Wearing -- man behind the two lawsuits.
Come up with that number 23 billion dollars.
-- -- -- the primary purpose Melissa bringing these lawsuits was not for the money.
But -- to stop this illegal activity which is a violation of our constitutional rights.
And to do that you have to -- the companies have to -- the individuals responsible.
With a large penalty so that's where you come up with a 23 million in between these two lawsuits you have one dealing with the Verizon situation.
The other dealing with the other cellphone providers and Internet providers like FaceBook and Google and Skype.
You've got potentially over 300 million class.
Participants as plaintiffs so if you actually break it out you know with all the people could comment for this lawsuit.
It may turn out not to be very much on -- individual basis but we do wanna.
Punish the companies in the government officials -- this is an outrageous.
Abuse of privacy.
Yeah really use of the lawsuit.
It in -- claims that the program violates citizens' reasonable expectations of privacy as well as their rights to priests -- And their freedom from and reasonable search and seizure.
Do you feel like you're gonna get a lot of traction with this are you hopeful that you're gonna win or is this about making a statement.
-- if we're hopeful we're gonna win of course you know the and and we're hopeful that this judge that we got.
Will follow the law and will not be influenced by Washington politics.
Because judges are appointed by politicians -- appointed by the president recommended by senators and others but if the judge plays it straight and if he's neutral.
He's got to rule in our -- never before in the history of this country and we had every American.
Under surveillance that's outrageous and listening to the comment of former Vice President Dick Cheney during that interview -- said we did have a right to even know.
It should be kept secret.
So it's really the establishment here in Washington against the American people it's not a conservative for.
Well let -- issue you think that a little bit -- you -- the American people and there was a recent pew poll that found that 56% of Americans think the program is acceptable.
And acceptable way for the government to investigate terrorism.
So does that -- you I mean do you really think that it a majority of Americans do think this is going too far it seems like maybe not from apple.
Well you've got 44% from that polls that say no and that's a very large figure but.
-- that's been a drumbeat here in Washington.
In the last three days in particular particularly the Sunday shows where all of these government officials from -- bomb two.
Former Republican officials that -- is similar program in -- affected and take it.
To the extreme that Obama's.
But they're all defending themselves because they're culpable they're guilty.
And it basically is that this is CYA Melissa is that so this kind of dialogue that's going on right here in Washington with the establishment is influencing people out there in the country it's gonna change once they find out that every Internet.
Posting every text everything that they've done has been recorded by the government -- it.
It didn't make a compelling case -- I mean on the one hand they say.
You shouldn't be doing -- thing you know it if you're not doing anything wrong we shouldn't care anyway because that's novel -- interest -- -- And then you have -- that people like Peter King who came on this program last week.
And said it's absolutely essential.
That it saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers by spoiling the 2009.
Subway bombing plot.
-- ask yourself the question did anyone do anything wrong with the IRS scandal.
When conservative groups were targeted they were just trying to profit status.
I hear you but that's a different issue.
And more and we're going to really focus on this one in and I'm trying to -- -- you're ready for your day in court here that this is -- -- this is the kind of thing that they -- it that the the public at the very least -- good -- for you if not.
Court they're gonna say we -- these terrorist Dianne Feinstein.
You know is gonna come out with evidence she says to show that this -- the Times Square bombing.
You know these sort of it's -- people say -- on one hand I don't really want the government you know keeping track of my phone calls and everything I do on the other hand I don't wanna get blown up this way.
Well number one it's not been shown that you couldn't do it another way without getting everybody's telephone records to foil the Times Square bombing number two.
You got to remember I have clients who have been very critical this administration found -- of Navy SEALs for instance.
Who have really complained that Vice President Biden released the name is seal team six is -- a target on their sons backs.
Their sons were shot down in Afghanistan shortly after -- bin Laden died.
Their phones they believe have been tapped.
And the reason for this is coercion the government wants them to be quiet the government doesn't want them to exercise our god given rights our grievances.
And if you go back to 1776.
The king didn't want us to do that either.
And the king was being very repressive but the king didn't have the technological tools that our government now has that can -- the people went to submit the right dangerous.
Yet Edwards -- is helping or hurting your case right now I mean he is awfully vocal.
He you know he's out there doing that live chat today he's answering a lot of these questions and and I feel like with every word that he says.
He makes sense but -- he also -- political points it seems like he wins people over he alienates them at the same time.
Do you think he's helping -- hurting the case for well.
He's -- -- help the case ultimately because we have confirmation that this was going on this is the first time.
That we get it from an effect an official source we didn't have that before.
I think all Americans knew there was something going on but never like this.
And Sarah Palin said it well and your other network Fox News is really irrelevant the issue now is what the government is doing what the Obama administration is doing in particular.
To spy on American citizens over 300 million and these companies that are collaborating what are they getting an exchange.
And while I'm not equating.
President Obama or anybody in Washington to what happened leading up to the years of the Third Reich in Germany.
It was the industrialists that's supported Hitler the industrialist and allowed him to take power.
And while that's not the case here it shows you the dangers of -- the government and and industry work together against the American people.
And it is the classic slippery slope Larry thank you for coming on the program you're welcome interesting insights.
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