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It's likely to the military -- terrorism experts who say that's what I.
When stuff like this gets out with the -- a great deal with the spying involved to get it out or not.
Former assistant secretary of defense and Mary -- long says once it is out -- guys -- find another way to.
To move around joining our former CIA operative Wayne Simmons who's had chick is so hard he can crush you would split.
So I'm glad he's actually on remote.
-- it -- let's get right to have their debt because.
I guess I can't say it's -- surprise that what -- gets released when you for what does the agencies that are not.
And he -- bad guy is gonna find.
A way around the proper.
Absolutely -- will not only find a way around it in the past when.
Either criminal organizations.
Are terrorists have found out that we've found a way to track them not -- -- not only find other ways to communicate.
-- to conduct their activities but sometimes they dismantle.
The entire organization to what they believe.
To be or soon that we know about as far as the network.
And then we not only have to find them again but we have to figure out who defied him what networks and groups to -- again very damaging.
All right now -- you are one of the first -- and everyone was you know feeding -- Snowden and saying he's a hero and -- First Amendment bubble bath and will be other men global box.
So -- the guy the guy's not.
Now do you feel.
Well I'm I'm confident that.
My position has only been strengthened.
Since we have found out that he is being debriefed by the Chinese MSS.
Which is there intelligence apparatus.
And Mary Beth is absolutely spot on.
When she says that it is very damaging.
Because the any cells that -- are out there in the United States or around the world.
The first thing that they do from a security standpoint will be to disband.
And they will start using humans.
Capabilities which -- are.
Message is being used set by runners as opposed to getting on the phone or getting on the Internet so it's gonna make our job.
Much more difficult especially -- since we no longer have.
-- humans human intelligence capabilities that we once had.
Well they're -- weren't these techniques or strategies or methods are that the agencies were using -- phone records.
Crucial it in in in tracking down bad guys because I guess we had this in effect.
For the Boston bombing -- -- didn't stop those two Brothers.
Well -- that I don't have any particular insight and certainly couldn't speak.
What records for utilized in this particular program but it certainly well known in our national security leaders have all said.
That being able to track the communications.
Not only those within.
And passing through the United States with a link cages that these records in this meta data showed to us.
Is critical to being able not only to identify to track and have insight into what these organizations are doing.
But in the case of the bombings and the other activities that we didn't get ahead of to go back and see what did we miss what organizations did we not know about.
And how do we improve and how we -- establish.
And get connectivity.
And get insight into possible future activities.
You know on -- win and -- you you.
You were for any way to track down people who will try to harm us and and and and kill us and I can appreciate that and understand that and and here's -- respectfully disagree again because then your remote and and you can't -- -- -- exists.
I'd I'd I'd think it's a good thing this came -- because in the name of protecting us my immediate reaction was what that -- this'll.
So I'm gonna ask you that what the heck is this all about say what you will about now the bad guys have become aware this and now we're gonna find ways around that's.
Why was this happening in the first place and to what end and how could -- possibly.
It's absolutely not so I want going to react and then you did you can criticize and afterwards that's even better because that went happily I thought.
At and and -- -- I think you're -- your concerns are are justified I have no laden.
No reason to to think.
That those Americans who feel the way you do are are are not justified I would tell you this.
This goes back directly in my opinion this goes back directly to not only Booz Allen.
But certainly to CIA and -- and -- -- because we have programs called counterintelligence risk indicators.
And those are programs that are being consistently -- constantly run.
Are against our own people -- when I say against I don't mean to hurt them.
Only to continue to monitor anyone with a top secret clearance right especially those who have access to this type of intelligence and they need to continue to monitor us.
So that we can find out if our affiliations of change because we would have.
Found this got out a long time ago so that's where I have the very very biggest prop.
Okay well Michael the last from -- -- to -- that is that we have too many people tracking this.
Let's say we have a need to this one point 31 point four million.
Americans apparently have the security.
To do what what's -- did and I don't know if it ends up being that I.
But it it's a lot of people who produce a lot of -- -- -- -- -- Well I think that's a red Herring frankly yes there are a lot of people with national security clearances of one level or another.
But I think that most people who understand these programs know that they are compartment in which means that they are segregated off.
This is one of the unusual individuals I had a lot of access to a lot of high level programs because you don't even hear a lot more just like an -- -- -- I don't I hope that there's not a lot more like him okay -- -- my seasons I'm gonna just -- cure.
Well maybe you can -- justice but here.
-- -- all I know I've Blair the hope that I could not to go to -- highway networks.
Anyway guys thank you both very much not at a time.
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