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Mark Klein isn't exactly sure what to make a want it snowed in but he does know what could -- all the fuss created simple -- -- -- Nothing Zippo zilch nada because before this NSA -- -- there was this certain unassuming AT&T technician.
Mark Klein had discovered.
That the company was allowing the government to steal a lot of customer data.
And further do so without warrants the company does did it again and again and gave it again and again.
Klein had enough of it and blew the whistle on it.
That was seven years ago.
The abuses continued mr.
-- It is pretty sobering stuff mark when I look back to what you went through what you dealt with them what you warned about.
And it got everybody and his uncle legally involved and on this like -- and you know what and this -- continues when you make -- Well we knew -- totally illegal pac man.
And I still think it's illegal.
I wouldn't say nothing will come of it the president how much outrage there isn't a country congress is running scared right now.
-- -- -- But you know I'm rates can be short line mark I mean -- it was in your case seven years ago there was I do remember quite well that that it outrage.
But it didn't Lance.
And I would think that.
AT&T customers alone.
Would have -- -- angered long enough to demand this stuff.
-- why didn't last is because congress.
And both parties.
Republican and democratic.
Put -- cinnamon on it by -- the immunity bill that gave immunity to the phone companies.
And then they also -- -- -- the law.
To make it look like things were fixed so people thought oh it's all over now I can go back home.
That's -- -- Results update they essentially.
Pulled us here now now of the environment at the time mark was I think we were knee deep in Iraq.
So we were still fight the bad guys -- the terrorists this was a primary and high priority concern have been some years obviously.
After 9/11 but we had had reminders I think just the summer before.
Of another terror attacks -- May -- -- was dominating the conversation but what would even.
Well I think it's also the atmosphere created by.
-- -- both administrations to make people scared and I ran through.
But he didn't stop the attack in Boston didn't.
-- it did not -- -- a brilliant point so let me ask you back to mr.
-- Do you see him as a whistle blower but do you see him as just a misguided kid.
I think this man -- a heroic figure who's thrown away totally comfortable life.
To make a principled stand for the constitution.
That's perfectly clear there's nothing in it -- him here it's a great danger but he wanted to expose.
Great wrongdoing on the part of the government and he's done and -- -- that and there's more coming so I hear.
But there was a process for that right mark I don't know what the process was -- your case it could be years speculated it.
But there is a respected general there are -- you go to and say it could've been him I don't know what's -- it was a case have you.
Have you noticed that we've got you know over a hundred million Americans phone records and we're doing this Willy Nilly and were increasing and and he never did that he immediately went to Hong Kong.
Well he's learned from the experience of previous whistle blowers such as William -- and I was very high near -- And he quit right after 9/11 because he found out they were turning when they're spying apparatus.
Not on not only on foreigners but domestically.
And they came after him they raided his house he didn't listen to him.
Thomas -- also another and -- -- whistle blower.
Went through channels he went to -- inspector general he went to congressional committees.
And he was basically knock -- listen to.
So snow -- -- have -- -- sure was watching all this happened over the years.
And realized coming through the normal channels get you nowhere.
You have to get out there in the public that's the only way I see any reason we're having this conversation.
Now right through it because it's not an avenue -- but it's I don't know.
I I suspect they want to bring.
Catching him physically.
And bring them back.
To this country to have a big show trial to scare everybody else -- -- Chinese and listen.
-- I think -- they will do because they want to maintain good.
Trade relations not before they get everything they can't out of them right.
Well that's theoretically possible I don't think as I say I think they want to maintain good relations with the US.
For trade reasons.
OK mark -- we'll watch very closely thank you very much.
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