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House Budget Committee chairman congressman Paul Ryan challenging those who say the gang of -- is essentially amnesty.
He was speaking at a forum on immigration sponsored by the National Association of Manufacturers.
Earned legalization is not amnesty.
I would I will debate anybody who tries to suggest that these ideas that are moving through congress our industry they're not.
There you heard it they're not The Heritage Foundation -- Harbour says yes they are and their response it is.
Sorry chairman -- it is amnesty joining us now Genevieve wood vice president of The Heritage Foundation.
Good to have you with this Genevieve.
Thanks -- -- -- -- what's going on here there's the National Association of Manufacturers you guys Douglas Holtz speak and you've got -- -- the chairman of the House Budget Committee.
They've decided -- and this this is this is an amnesty.
What are you -- -- -- What the question is when did they start redefining words I mean -- a little bit of verbal gymnastics going on.
Amnesty is amnesty no matter what you call you can call -- pathway to citizenship.
But the fact says.
When you take people who've broken the law and eleven and a half.
Million illegal immigrants we have in this country have broken the law either by crossing the border illegally or overstayed their visas -- not going home when they were supposed to.
They've broken the law.
And we're saying we're gonna have you pay if you fines -- we're gonna wipe the slate clean and we're gonna give you legal status even know the way you're here.
Is illegal behavior so it's amnesty in Lou -- you know we've you follow these issues for -- We've tried this before.
Basically the exact same thing was done in 1986 Ronald Reagan had the courage to actually call it -- amnesty.
And it didn't work and at the same thing give a -- now we'll make promises on border security of the things later and it didn't work.
You know I don't know.
We have this full -- to -- the full screen on the percentage of Hispanic.
Of votes for presidential Republican presidential candidates.
We do not but it -- nice to me to bring that out how I got.
As I tease everybody -- that I have my apologies the fact is that we know that the Republicans are talking about winning all of this Hispanic votes.
After the 1986.
Sampras and in -- leading up to the 1986 amnesty under the leadership of president Ronald Reagan.
Republicans have never.
Ever done well with the exception of the 2004.
In which President Bush received about 44%.
I'm told by -- we do have that.
There you can see -- it is 1984.
You -- the Republican getting 37%.
88 the Republican getting 30% 9225%.
It doesn't get much better said but as I said generally that with the exception of 2004 the President Bush.
Did receive about 44% of that -- vote.
What in the world Republicans doing here there is a bit out there are really it seems inviting -- a lot of democratic voters.
Well look this is a pragmatic matter -- well it if you're just again it politically but the fact says if you're trying to doctored -- at any population of the country and I think Republicans ought to be trying to get more Hispanic vote the ought to be trying to reach more people period.
But you don't do that by putting forward bad policy and let's be clear the folks these eleven and half million people that are here today.
-- many of them that they become legal residents.
We'll get sucked in to a lot of government programs whether it's food stamps and welfare obamacare on down ally and the fact is that's not good for now.
I mean we really say we care about these folks.
We -- ensuring that we have a system and a country that allows them to move up the economic water and really pursue the American dream there's an -- -- gonna get trap.
Yeah there's another -- your -- and that is that this effectively puts all of these people despite the the assurances of the evening of -- and other advocates.
It puts these people way ahead of four million people waiting in -- you're not right way.
And there's no escaping that I just -- -- we're we're out of time but I just got to answer you.
Senator rubio saying we need to legalize immigrants so they can pay for border security.
I mean this is stars.
Florida is former Florida governor Jeb Bush saying the United States needs immigration reform because -- are more fertile.
This is getting pretty.
This kind of outrageous right now wouldn't.
Lou they're searching that they're looking for sound byte hit the people -- -- hear because they don't like the facts and the facts says it will not be enough back taxes or fines to pay for what they're talking about if you wanna pay for securing the border what you don't do -- grant amnesty and encourage even more people to try to come across that's only -- up the problem.
You know what I can't figure out -- I I think there's just no question in the world.
That congressman Bob good -- has the right idea moving forward with an incremental approach to solve the problems.
To the benefit of the nation and the illegal immigrants it leaves out a lot of that -- right actress.
Generally that -- -- have won it one step at a time generally we thank you for being with this comebacks -- -- you.
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