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Tonight we start with these shocking news suspicion of NSA whistle blower Edwards noted.
Is -- despite that the Chinese Government -- keeps leaking information to China the latest revelation being.
That the US has more than 61000.
Hacking operations around the globe.
-- that we've specifically been targeting the Chinese.
Ever been wondering why he chose a hundred out -- Hong Kong to begin with right.
And whether he made a fact but if he is actually working for the Chinese -- having top secret security clearance here in the US.
Knowing that takes things -- a whole new level Gordon Chang is the author of the coming collapse of China and he's been following this story closely.
-- -- might be a double agent.
You pretty compelling thinking on this late laid out for us what are the clues.
Well the first thing of course is that he goes to Hong Kong which has an extradition agreement with the US.
And a tradition of close cooperation with US law enforcement that means the only thing that stands between him and a life term in a super Max prison is Beijing.
But you know it's interesting -- his first disclosure was time just before President Obama met with CJ and being in the shirt -- summit and not really -- re old Obama is.
Whole idea of talking about cyber security and the most recent -- revelations have -- Operational detail this is not just a question of -- but operational detail of the NSA -- spying on Hong Kong.
And China this only helps -- I mean these are good reasons but we think this -- coming -- getting information -- secretive ending going back and giving it to the person he's fine for.
Why would he be so public if you were double agent -- I think and part of it is that he might have been tipped off that the NSA was closing in on -- You know the interest -- -- just fleet I mean he wouldn't.
-- is huge splash and put himself out there.
Yeah but he did flee to China and and I think that that means that he is outside of basically the US ability to get him.
And that's important so that now he is -- really to do what he wants.
The important thing here I think is that when we -- step back and look at this there's a lot that we do not know right now so Francis everybody's been asking how could a 29 year old who's been working for an NSA contractor for less than three months end up with all of this information on his own.
And and perhaps the issue is maybe he wasn't on his -- so what does that mean.
You eating there are other spies for China within the NSA already there were helping him when he went up -- say I -- that would be something you'd have to look at because he did expelled trip a lot of data in a very short period of time.
In a position where most nobody thought that he could do that.
And so the issue is are there other people in the NSA up in the food chain who've helped them and maybe also in -- You know eat there -- a lot of federal agencies in Hawaii where he was this is a critical plays for China because this is where we do our surveillance of China.
So we have to start thinking about all of this.
When -- runs prematurely.
Out of Hawaii we have a lot of questions we've got to ask.
And what he's been doing in terms of showing -- operational detail is actually critical.
Your sources tell you that the FBI office in Hawaii has been thoroughly penetrated the perhaps really what does that mean.
Well that means essentially that he's been tipped off.
And that he -- he he fled at the time he did because he was told it was time to go.
There are others in Hawaii that are helping him as saying why is a place that it's what we've -- -- known for all along that China has devoted a lot of attention to Hawaii because the headquarters of Pacific commander there.
And his say is there a whole bunch of federal agencies in this very close to China in -- close as we get.
So the important thing here is that China has been putting its agents in the Hawaii.
We have to assume that a lot of this has been.
So why is what he's doing right now why would that be beneficial to China him being out there being so public saying that you know exposing the NSA program why is that good for track.
Well the changes the global narrative -- note we were talking before about Chinese hacking you know cyber espionage.
Cyber attacks all the rest of our -- about American hacking and absolutely and it's really taken that off the table and and that this summit that President Obama was supposed to have what did have was siege in paying.
They were gonna make the case to China had to stop this and if they didn't it was gonna affect the economic relationship between the two countries.
Now it's harder to make that case conversation has changed.
We -- on the back foot and so this really did help China.
Do we ever find out I mean if that was the case do you think that it ever comes to light that this is what happened or are there clues that we should look for going forward for example.
Like what happens -- -- and down where he goes.
Right I mean.
I think -- probably is going to end up at one point or another back in China because it -- only make sense for him he is now too hot.
And as he disclose more and more operational detail and apparently he has a lot of detail about how we go you know the servers that we're looking at all sorts of things.
This is stuff that China in China is the only customer for this right now.
Well Russia Communist Russia have a big customer for -- for anything that he has as well.
There except though that probably what he was doing was targeting what he was looking for in terms -- -- of course Russia would like to know general.
But what he has is DTL with regard NSA's operations against China.
And so that's obviously much more interest to Beijing is it possible he wants to be a spot for the and so that's why he did all of this and that's why at least there is he wants them to adopt him now -- he -- and that's how it started -- you know it did could have started any number of different ways you know we could take him at his word and that he changed though that China flipped him midway through this.
But apparently does have too much information for just.
-- and acting on his own for less than three months so we have to assume that he has been working with other people that's the only logical explanation for all that we know now.
Anxious -- -- -- and no doubt that's gonna cause a lot of conversation I hope you'll come back thank you very much are right now.
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