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But -- well yeah I -- -- we get to the bottom of these government scandals what the government fires the very ones revealing these scandals.
Take the case of David Weber and that he was an assistant inspector general who blew the whistle.
On a former disappear -- the SEC it was involved apparently a series of an appropriate relationships.
And also was the first to report potential security breaches on -- computers that contain.
Crucial stock exchange data.
But rather than being heralded the Webber was -- -- put out on administrative leave and eventually fired for essentially becoming a nuisance.
That is until -- -- -- facts of the case came out.
And the SEC settle with him to the tune of 580000 dollars David Weber you know this -- -- little -- house.
Personally that whistle blower role.
And difficult David good to have you what did you experience -- I cannot imagine you've got all this stuff that's right -- Rania.
You take -- in those who you think wanna hear this stuff and then your ability.
Well to begin at the beginning thank you for having me on.
No when I learned what I learned I knew I was going to be fired that day that I learned it really.
I'm an attorney as well as certified fraud examiner.
And I have been a government employee at this point for almost twenty years both as a law enforcement officer and as a lawyer as a prosecutor and as an investigator.
And when I learned what I learned and I was driving home that night I called my wife who is also a lawyer and I told her that I was gonna lose my job all right.
Now do you knew that because you knew you're gonna talk to someone about it or you knew that you just couldn't.
Couldn't sit died and ignore this kinda stuff now why does it disappears inappropriate relationships but it must and from -- six point.
I knew that because of the situation that I was dealing with which was to Bernard Madoff.
Fraud and the Allen Stanford fraud.
And the potential cyber compromise.
Stock exchange computers by a foreign adversary right that there was no way that agency management was going to put -- angels is -- loaded on this I don't you are obviously very I -- organization but.
How did you come upon us.
I came upon this because I was told information.
With regards to the inappropriate relationships.
And with regards to the cyber compromised but had a good relationship -- impact what was going -- -- the SEC lots of people have affairs and all that.
Where you drop -- connection between that and -- senator terrorists that.
The relationship was with key witnesses -- in the cases.
And it would have it would have tainted the cases.
And inspectors general and government agencies.
Necessarily and I'm sure you can appreciate have standards of conduct.
For conducting investigations we as Americans want to know that the people who were doing the investigation.
Are doing it in a straightforward way and that was not being done and to learned that there was.
A compromise of our investigation of the largest fraud in the history of the United States and that nobody had raised their hand.
I I knew that night that I had to raise my hand and then I didn't.
That I would not be doing my duty well god bless you but here's where -- drew a distinction between you edited genuine whistleblower who really had some good at heart here.
And -- now you take that information and a great personal risk is that -- stay here in the United States you don't go off to Hong Kong.
He goes -- off the Hong Kong.
I'm not only didn't go wandering off to Hong Kong.
I tried to use the system to report what had happened and you got an assistant navy and the Suzuki got screwed -- -- related story didn't go to -- But what do you think of what he did it.
I can tell you.
If I was his lawyer and I'm not.
But if I was his lawyer I would not have advised him to do what he did wide.
-- because well first of all I -- never revealed his name and his face.
But second -- -- because he owed a duty to work within the system and a follow the rule of law.
I commend what he did I think it took an enormous set of courage to do we did and -- -- Why does everyone say that -- -- that I'm not take sides if I did when you didn't have an enormous amount occurs because.
You you wouldn't -- -- it immediate punishment everyone was pilot on the United States and you know what.
And -- at this guy.
That there was not an immediate impact from that he did was a system in place where he could have done which you did he could have gone to an inspector general -- -- -- -- his.
Higher up -- said hey you know we're doing this with a 150 million phone records or whatever.
He did none of that he immediately went right to leaking it.
-- the world.
-- I mean you you could be right you could have a point and the point could be that perhaps he doesn't believe in the system and maybe he doesn't believe in this administration.
Part of my frustration is an honor and a better -- -- and then and that's -- world where all -- he.
He could get attention getter but whether he's an attention -- or not.
He's an attention getter that just reveal what's what what is plainly a massive violation of the Fourth Amendment.
All right but I would like conservatives -- -- -- you Soledad they're collecting information that might or might not be used for nefarious purposes what you uncovered was in fact.
It's been various stuff going on out there there was you -- right away and that you state in this country do it's it's a deal with them and risk great career apparel including firing.
And this guy's got it off over there I'm just wondering what message each -- both of you send to.
Future whistle blowers.
The message that I sent to current whistle blowers.
Is that you can win and you can fight.
But that you have to understand.
It -- you are going to raise your hand if it's not easy to raise your hand at doing the right thing can be hard to do but sometimes it's your duty to do it.
I understood that night even though I was gonna lose my job that I had to do it that I had sworn an oath.
To uphold and protect the constitution.
And uphold the law and that by the time I did what I did I was the senior most investigative.
Person within the entire agency there was nobody else who's gonna raise their -- and and and I did what I needed to do to protect our country.
And to protect our stock markets and our retirees.
All of whom have their network tied up in the stock market.
From a potential cyber compromise.
Well I learned a lot targeted including.
Don't trust couples who wrote our lawyers a -- -- David thank you very very much.
David -- having me what we're.
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