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Titans are uniting going on the offense since the NSA scandal broke Google released a letter asking the government permission.
To publish its request for data -- some critics accuse Google of enabling spying.
By virtue of their technology but is Google really good.
Or is it evil remember that's their motto don't be evil -- Now technically Sammy -- our privacy and security researcher who else have Stephen Hayes from the weekly standard thanks to both of you for joining us.
Steve I want to start with you because Google now is trying to get out there and get in front of this story.
They have put out a public letter to larger attorney general Eric Holder asking if they can publish this transparency report.
Which is supposed to show how many times they have refused the government when the government has asked to see their users' data.
Is that compelling or convincing would that do anything.
Well it could -- Google is very interested -- this point and showing the scope.
Of their involvement in -- and I think by the accounts that we've heard from Google lawyers and from people that I have spoken to.
You know -- Americans will likely be surprised that it's not broader and I think that's the case the Google wants to make -- wants to make publicly right now.
Because there's a sense say there's a perception I -- to -- perception.
That you've basically got in the governments were packed into the servers of you know Google and all these other tech companies when that's not in fact what what was happening.
Let's -- me is that the case I mean are they tapped into the servers.
Do they know exactly what's going on because Steve doesn't think so but I sorted you.
-- well I actually don't believe that the government is really -- to Google's servers I do understand that the government is really sending out you know subpoenas search warrants and now with.
That Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act they're basically getting warrantless information and using gag orders actually hold Google and you know essentially shut their -- About what information there leaking to the government.
However I don't believe that the government has basically back door into Google's servers -- anyone else's where they can just -- -- on this information.
But Steve what are the things that makes people really nervous is when you look at the relationship.
Between Eric Schmidt.
From Google and the relationship that he's had with President Obama I mean.
He was a key car part of the campaign Obama for America had designing.
Really the Internet based campaign that reached out through social media that was so effective to so many people.
He's now gone on and transformed it into -- this analytics which will help independent and Democrat.
And it feels like he used the power of Google is it wrong to make all those connections.
I think those connections are supported by fact of the things that you just laid out our are all true and there's there I think there indisputable.
The question is what does that have to do with the NSA and I think there are some people -- inflating.
And democratic activities the fact they supported Democrats supported this president.
With what's happening at the NS AI think the two are separate.
Issues it if you were a Republican strategist or -- conservative activist and you have concerns that Google.
Might have been providing data out to the Democratic Party to president Obama's reelection campaign.
To help him win and not -- of two Republicans who were concerned about that and and you don't raised questions about the extent to which Google might have been helping the president.
In that manner that's totally different than I think what ever Google's role is an -- a lot to learn about a was with the NSA.
CME you know there's something scarier about having the government in my computer -- then looking at my phone records you know we hear about what the NSA has done so far.
If they know who I call them what day for how many minutes.
It's not like they're actually listening to the college yet I mean maybe we'll get there but if there in computer looking up my search looking at my email.
They can actually see my words in my thoughts and what I was saying and thinking that's what makes the Google thing scarier.
Do you agree with fast.
-- -- I I think that's really scary but I think we'll think understand this has been happening for a long time.
There's in the carnivore software that FBI employee years ago probably ten or fifteen years ago and in various -- -- is where they're able to.
Looking emails and other Internet information.
And now who knows what they're getting again if I gag order is given to -- company like Google.
They -- never.
We may never know what information was actually get -- the only reason this information we understand.
What and -- -- requesting these days is because of this information just recently leaked.
Yes otherwise we wouldn't know yeah probably does us Italy there's at least he's had not Stevie got -- we're never gonna get out I had.
Getting the problem is though that there's some of the stuff in the leaks we've now.
Come to understand was inaccurate I mean -- I'd talk to intelligence official.
-- the last couple days who said that when he first read the Washington Post version of what has been called the prison story.
The one that broke last Thursday and involves these in -- groups these tech companies.
He said he thought there was a new program is well aware of the program that existed but because the description.
Of what was happening was so at odds and so different than the program that he was familiar with that he'd been briefed done.
He didn't even recognize the program so I think we've got a lot of learning to do about what exactly is in the program great point line -- guys thanks for coming on.
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