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They got out but reports that NSA scoops of virtually unfettered access to the information pipelines of Google FaceBook.
Microsoft all the other Internet provider -- company officials in the spin overdrive.
-- -- chief legal represented shot a letter off to the FBI and the attorney general yesterday.
Saying quote Google's numbers would clearly show that our compliance with the NSA requests.
Falls far short of the claims being -- -- -- right.
One who should know -- Larry Clinton the president and CEO of the Internet security -- who joins us now Larry great to see -- thanks for come again.
So the Washington Post a guard AM and other publications.
Claim that the NSA and I'm quoting the Washington Post now has direct access that's a quote.
To Google FaceBook and all the others Google denies that they have direct access -- was right.
I mean they may have direct access -- that doesn't mean they have direct access to everything.
And what usually happens in a situation like this is that the federal government makes a case in this case -- make their case first through.
The legal authorities.
They worked with the companies and very often.
Other companies will push back and say no we don't think that that's appropriate and they work it out to the point where finally gets legal authorization and only in those instances do things -- -- but here's.
Here's the thing for I'm I'm -- nine.
One gets the impression on nine -- -- -- once somebody's like the NSA has he supercomputers.
Get into -- system.
They can roam around and get just about anything they need is that -- correct perception or not.
Now I don't think that that is a correct perception.
This is all sorts of security in these systems and -- -- -- -- arrangements that the government works with the private sector in order to do these things that the private sector is very sensitive.
To this sort of thing Google and others need to operate.
In the public's fear there could public.
Citizens they don't want to violate their their customers privacy they're gonna work in -- responsible fashion.
Because it's in their economic interest to do so as -- there their job is as good company while it's.
Winner economic interest and they've got a lot of explaining to do they've been trying to do that but again -- -- hearing these reports some NSA insiders.
Some FBI counterintelligence and guys say that once.
Once they get the data point so far they say well it's just the data points but they these FBI and NSA folks are saying.
They actually can get.
The conversation they can get the concept it's not just the data points it's the actual content of the information that the NSA can get access to if -- in the system to which you say.
Well I mean it depends on the specifics of the instance but as a general rule there's a difference in the made it metadata and the and the contents.
It is absolutely true however that once you get access to metadata.
you can put together a fairly good.
-- picture of what you're looking for and in the digital world.
The combination of this metadata what we call the analytics that go along with these things.
I can lead to very substantial information so I'm not saying by any means that this is not an important issue that needs -- be looked at from a privacy perspective but on the other hand.
It also needs to be understood from a security perspective and both the government and industry need to be operating.
Within the legal framework which is to my understanding what's so far been going -- While I understand the security concerns in their series but.
It it at all -- interesting question here though which is who's smarter the government or the price it used to be that that the government was always tends -- -- ten steps behind the the private sector geeks in it and in whatever you were talking about the Internet.
Now it seems that may have change when you look at this huge.
NSA facility that's about to go online you think may be the government is better at -- than a private sector is that true or not -- -- I tend to doubt that I mean as -- -- they had to stay here unless the government's -- that the private sector is much much bigger.
In from a security perspective what we need to be doing is having the private sector work.
With the government in a collaborative and lawful fashion.
To protect both -- cells from outside threats and also to protect individual a privacy.
The thing keeps me up -- night we're in the on the proxy side of this is not so much the government getting stuff but -- millions and billions of records that criminals.
And others are -- -- systems.
22 mile or -- up or we or direct question based on what's happen if -- if this high school drop out who was working as a part time employee.
For the NSA through Booz Allen if he can get access to all this information we've only seen a fraction of what he had access to win.
What is -- he's apparently sharing -- media sources.
What does that say about security.
Yeah that's it that's it that's very very troubling we have the same situation with.
With private Manning and the and the WikiLeaks thing a little while ago we have to do -- much better job.
In terms of weeding out who these people get these high security clearances go to as a general rule we have a security clearance problem.
We're we're not getting to people in the private sector who really do -- These security clearances and are sophisticated people and to help us some security side they're not getting the -- I think we did that only -- Very public not private a very public -- between the private sector and the public sector about how to work together to protect all -- information that could be done in the public.
Not behind closer we got to leave it that Larry Clinton Internet security alliance president -- good to see Larry thanks very much pleasure thanks -- -- later.
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