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-- revelations about an assay data grab may have sent shivers among a lot of folks were worried about threats to our privacy.
But could restrictions.
Put on information flows become a bigger threat to our freedom by stifling businesses and innovation.
George -- The document in the history of information technology for over thirty years.
He has a brand new book out it's called knowledge and power and it focuses on how capitalism and growth in the economy thrive.
On the free flow of information George joins us now George good to see you thanks for coming in appreciated him.
-- great division on your program always thank you very much -- so what scares you more because a lot of people are really genuinely frightened with this sort of information where house.
That the NSA has has revealed or it's been revealed that the NSA has.
Does the the fact that that warehouse exists scare you more than attempts to limit that information.
And it certainly doesn't mean that it's this is a legitimate governments function governments are supposed to defend us from -- -- Governments are supposed to secure -- computers -- help secure our computers.
And the Obama administration is -- -- a bad job in that realm.
And it's -- in an appalling catastrophic.
And IRS invades our security every which way every year -- System that's already a disgrace to the human race citizens.
And it gets worse and worse but George.
That it is a strong -- they -- attention.
The problem is is a lot of people look at the -- scandal and say hey.
If they can take information that they're not supposed to get for political purposes and use it for that with the IRS they could just as easily do with the NSA information.
Look if we have criminals and our government we got to throw him out or hopefully thrown in jail but.
That doesn't mean that we have to -- Tripoli -- SA which is on the front lines of a global cyber award today.
Would be a rein in spending a billion dollars a year now lines on cyber malware.
And not threatening our -- -- -- And -- here we're supposed to be word about privacy.
Our cities are at stake.
The you can.
A new player.
A devices they all -- that dire threat.
And that SA has to be able to do any thing it needs to do to stop that but -- you are -- -- -- There -- some concerns George about they -- the information revolution we as magnificent as it's been in so many areas of our lives.
That in fact in this particular case they may have gone too far Rand Paul for example senator.
Rand Paul is set in the Wall Street Journal today our lives are now so digitize -- the government.
Going from computer to computer or phone to phone as the modern equivalent.
Of the same type of tyranny against which our founders rebuild how do you respond.
I think is an idea I think he's.
-- -- have delusional vision.
Our predicament and the world and and are wrong.
Damage of how computers.
Do you think big -- which is a big strengthen the United States this tremendous computer capability.
Did detect patterns.
And vast qualities of of phone records and and email connections and if we don't do that's our -- our very lives at our civilization.
Is a danger.
This is necessary government role and it's just tragic.
That is spared this discredited.
By this -- jets IRS abuse that these.
People are perpetrated but but again -- -- this'll be the last point on this particular question but the Fourth Amendment is very clear of our constitution it says the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses.
Papers and effects.
Is secure it's supposed to be secured.
By the Fourth Amendment.
Don't that doesn't does -- -- -- -- fly.
Under the full Fourth Amendment no.
This is this is did not personal effects this is.
The effort of the national defense that you what their -- and stood at a fair and all our computers and hard data of -- had a stead.
Infiltrate our -- I -- -- -- that says that the US government that we're worried about NSA has a role responsibility.
I would like it to adopt.
A technology called trusted platform modules that can actually.
Protect computers before boot up.
And this is it I'm really important goal lead to add as they should.
Pursued they're they're now being distracted by -- foolish privacy.
Concerns that I think are a danger to our national security privacy that -- Give it up dire -- has already destroyed our privacy.
That's a depressing thought all right one final point -- knowledge and power which is your your book title it's it's said to be a completely new paradigm.
For kick starting economic growth how does -- do that.
It shows that.
The economy is -- economy of knowledge.
And that what we do is way exchange are differential knowledge in the marketplace.
And knowledge can change as fast as our ideas can change so economies can turn around in weeks or months.
As people's minds and policies are transformed so that I show all sorts of examples of -- complete turnarounds.
And an economy despite that despite all of mistakes that are currently being made in Washington.
America can still have a wonderful future if it exploits.
It's information resources.
Depressing on the higher arrests but very optimistic on the future of the American economy George Gilder knowledge empowers the name of the book George great to see -- thank you for coming in appreciate it.
Thank you so much -- -- never --
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