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That's two retired lieutenant colonel now -- security expert I -- Victor.
Who know full well these days this -- so strange.
I'm currently you first on any level whether this guy is a hero -- -- some just an opportunist.
Bottom line he had access to stuff -- I'm surprised he did and that's what worries -- it would say it.
Well Neil I think there's so much stuff going on out there that's pretty hard for a lot of people not to be exposed to these things.
He may have not only been directly involved in -- these programs but preferably around the water cooler he might have picked up a lot of other information there -- so you know he Manning.
That that young guy Bradley Manning that young army guys a good example of very young people exactly inexperienced.
Having access to some of the nation's highest secrets and not knowing how to protect them.
What does this mean for us -- I mean as far as security is concerned you always think that maybe -- view.
I don't go back to James Bond movies sinister Stipe -- -- had this stuff.
But now that it's many more that I thought in some of them don't -- -- that sinister at all.
Well this is quite common meal because we still think of information security as part of IT.
I -- culture is to give access.
Make stuff work speed line right between -- your -- -- whatever you need.
Information security of the different discipline it talks about risk and assessing risk unfortunately.
In most organizations both in and out of the government.
I he you have rules the -- that information security reports the -- -- it is structurally wrong.
It's what gives what gay pride that Manning private.
Manning that's relevant information that's right and this side gentlemen they -- that have that have allegedly had all this and access to this information.
It NSA he had even though he was the contractor there -- just a few years.
It's because we we don't separate.
Information security from -- and have them report separately.
To an executive that decides between.
Ease of access and risk of the information getting in the wrong hands.
I'm currently -- word that it this is like the Patriot Act on steroids that what started as good intentions to police and cross reference potential bad guys.
Has now become a tool that agencies use and abuse.
Absolutely -- have been worried about it for sometime I think there's still many more things out there.
That none of us know about the fact of the matter is that the government run a mile away and I don't let me say that an -- that we don't know like what what are you fear.
Good more information about -- it may be floating around out there that we don't know more stuff even though they're denying right now listening to telephone calls.
Or pro or personalizing some of the stuff that they're picking up.
I doubt that he'll remember this started out as only being Verizon and if you're at a few days it's gone -- bunch of other people so.
-- and I and I don't just blame this on the Democrats at the Republicans do it doesn't matter who's in power the fact of the matter is it's the government itself.
All these bureaucrats all these people who are there forever who are responsible.
For building these things for convincing the congress that we need to have -- for getting Eminem getting them implemented and then for taking advantage of them.
Well -- I mean that was the source of all dust up borrow my -- -- about whether we can go too far with this sort of thing in my -- was to take the politics out of -- say whether.
Government and these agencies and departments have gotten so large and so when we -- that this sort of thing is inevitable and what starts out as something it's meant to protect us.
Then -- you know spills over into just abusing us when event.
Yeah -- it's I completely agree with -- talent this is a situation of empire building we're building empires of databases.
And I'll still -- and -- who's building because it -- true to the colonel's point night.
The respect back -- and -- I think he's right on the stuff I mean.
Republicans -- the democrats' -- -- now I get this idea that these bureaucratic fiefdoms have set up shop where.
Where they've just got -- They could they got it and they're getting more of -- and they want more and more of that it's like an insatiable -- that just once once -- consume.
The information to build more -- more data empires.
That's why we see so much in the press about big data if you don't think the federal government is on the big data bandwagon.
Well just open up a newspaper in the last week.
-- and colonel real provision -- -- this is a security threat and of itself as an.
It is -- yeah I mean it's clearly America needs to know what's going on out there were not gonna find out.
Some of the bad guys that they get a bad guy operating overseas anytime -- -- international.
Phone -- -- exchange I've always assumed that our government is looking -- -- enlisting I'm OK with that I'm not okay with anything that's going on within the boundaries of the United States.
Guys thank you both very very much.
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