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My next guest is representing 25.
Conservative organizations that are suing the Internal Revenue Service claiming their constitutional rights were violated.
Joining us now is -- -- hello is chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice Gerri good to have you here.
This is -- remedy this is a monumental.
If I may say I monumental.
Legal action to go after the Internal Revenue Service.
You're going after Jacob more lawless foreigners Stephen Miller -- has as well as unknown IRS officials.
How did you determine them and what you expect to be the outcome of suing them.
Well the reason we listed those individuals were that we.
-- based on information that we had during the process of examination when these groups were trying to get tax exempt we knew we were dealing with a mean you know.
As Steve Miller said he meeting he had no idea he could remember anybody's name nobody could remember anybody's names why -- all the agent's name I had the supervisors named I have letters.
-- -- -- So this wasn't complicated for us and holly pass and we named -- the home -- Those that we knew had -- either knowledge of or actual engagement in a -- -- acts of the IRS we've listed as you mentioned Lou.
-- ten they could be more unknowns because until we do discovery we're not gonna know how deep.
This actually went how high up it -- -- really mean ourselves some options are able to tell you this.
Which -- not yet announced we're going to be amending that complaint -- the next week or ten days probably adding.
Another 25 organizations and at some additional counts -- in the complaint some areas that -- evolved since learned that we're concerned about including disclosure issues.
And some another constitutional challenge so it is a monumental undertaking but look the IRS here.
I'm trying to figure out what are they gonna say in their response we file a complaint that says you unlawfully targeted.
And normally get an answer to a federal lawsuit they would say tonight are negative and it we -- the statements where they admitted it so that's going to be to -- the -- litigate cases for a long time and that's going to be -- I'm waiting to say the.
From -- -- in particular who's in charge of the tax exempt section.
An acknowledgment and admission -- -- been an apology.
Which compounds I would think the the evidence on your -- It does.
Amid the fact that she made the admission.
And that we -- got the inspector general's report where they acknowledge and uncovered the targeting.
Which is by the way you know to keep calling it targeting -- -- that's just not good it's a bad thing to do with targeting is actually a violation of the constitution.
You cannot target someone based on their viewpoint I've done.
Multiple cases that the Supreme Court on that issue.
But you know I think right now as I said this the other day when I was on your broadcast I really think the IRS is institutionally incapable of self correcting I don't know.
You picked up -- your people picked up today.
That this afternoon the iris placed on administrative -- believed to have more officials one in charge.
Of the Obama care Affordable Care Act enforcement so that the agency right now -- come in complete.
A meltdown in my view and what needs to happen is I think that you.
Scrap the whole internal revenue code and start all over again frankly but they're short of that we need to see here.
Is -- justice and justice for our clients is that these unconstitutional like stop.
You talk about changes damages the claims that have to be satisfied nearby area ad agency of the federal government that.
Under our constitution is supposed to be serving the American people not targeting them it is clear they were -- doing precisely that through their own admission.
-- what damages will you likely succeed.
Do you want to those succeed in recovering from the Internal Revenue Service for parts.
The other -- things pressing forward got ten clients will -- that's an increase that's still been pending for three years and no exemption so -- either exemption.
Number two a number these groups before we got involved incurred substantial legal and accounting -- just trying to comply with these ridiculous question there's.
That we're -- -- from the IRS so they needed reimbursement of their accounting and attorneys' fees.
And then -- got clients that actually lost grandson -- -- we've talked about this before this so particular group that was Clinton picked up in this dragnet of the IRS they weren't -- Tea Party group they're conservative organization teaching constitutional conservatism.
And they were picked up and -- Jack -- dragnet and ended up losing.
Grant of 30000 -- so there's real damages here and then of course there's the getting the government to stop because despite the protests to the contrary.
Despite Jay -- statements to the contrary the reality is on May six -- when he thirteen.
We received another letter from one of our clients with more ridiculous question so the process has not stopped.
And it's gonna take multiple fronts to get that cause of action to get the government to correct itself would recognize that without order order they're just not capable of doing.
Jay thanks for being with us -- appreciated.
Some satisfaction some justice against the Internal Revenue Service and the federal government.
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