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We reported earlier conservatives who were targeted by the IRS off testifying on Capitol Hill today -- next guest says.
-- allegation should not come as a surprise since he claims the IRS has been doing this for -- over a decade joining us now -- -- president of Americans for Tax Reform Grover Norquist growth thanks so much for joining us.
So -- -- during the Bush Administration as well this was pretty common practice.
Well I can't speak for the Bush Administration but guy in the ninety's I served on a congressional commission that was put together.
Senator Bob Kerrey and -- now senator.
Robert Portman where the true shares of that.
Commission that we were looking into abuses by the IRS back them.
You may remember this scandals were IRS agents were going over their neighbors tax returns and -- and -- tax returns and people.
Violating the privacy of citizens that they had no reason.
To do they work auditing there.
Because they have that commission we interviewed people from the IRS and I said that I've been checking in conservative groups were getting audited under the Clinton administration.
And when I checked with liberal groups they weren't getting audited.
Could he please explain this discrepancy.
That he insisted well you know we have a scientific way of doing all that said it's all very even Stephen.
And I said -- can you explain the discrepancy perhaps tell us what this even -- -- very fair.
Measure -- and he said no I can't it's a secret but you'll have to trust us.
And important -- -- Anyone who says that right -- Hey listen not stained dress -- it is a long standing unfortunately he well all we ever gonna get to the bottom of who authorized this latest scandal -- the Cincinnati office by mean I would imagine any memos out there you'd think.
Do not exist anymore -- how high up do you think it goes.
Well I think when the president gets up at the state of the union and denounces.
The Tea Party movement and announces the supreme court for allowing people to contribute to campaigns.
With their -- -- their decisions.
He's sending a signal out through his administration.
Get these guys this is how that king went after Thomas of Beckett he didn't send a memo please -- Thomas a -- He just complained an awful lot and his troops got the job.
The president brought with him not only people from Chicago.
But the ethos.
Of the morals of the Chicago political machine.
Under daily into this guy and they use.
The tax office the ancestors office.
Against their political enemies and to help their political friends they -- the government as an extension of the Democratic Party machine in Chicago.
Why would we think they'd operate any differently and we're certainly seeing that they didn't operate so differently Grover from.
Conservatives' point of view is it more important to damage the Obama administration depending on how this investigation stands out or is it more important.
To bring tax reform front and center as a result of this momentum.
Well we did -- get the truth and -- Obama's people take the Fifth Amendment that's not getting to the truth.
We are getting Obama's political people like Axelrod.
About the investigation which tells you that he thinks.
That it's a threat to the president's.
Credibility and and it's perhaps -- presidency.
-- -- he's he's not economists you have to work -- not Treasury Department guy -- the political -- And he says please stop investigating this.
I think we need to get to the facts of this so the American people.
Can can look at how we fix it and -- -- -- fixes -- changes on how the IRS behaves.
And -- changes in the laws that the IRS -- forces.
If we had simpler.
Less oppressive taxes.
You wouldn't have some of these problems in implementing it.
But we also need to police against IRS political abuses even -- a perfect tax system.
If the IRS is targeting people politically for audits and harassment.
That needs to be fixed it needs to be transparent.
Somebody needs to be looking over this.
We need to go back twenty years and say how many liberal groups rotted how many conservative groups were audited.
And it's not just the groups trying to get going like the Tea Party people -- the ones that are going -- get whacked.
And get a lot of -- is whether or not.
-- already at a time very quickly because we're at a time Grover.
The acting IRS commissioner damn well -- says he -- promises to uncover everything do you buy it.
We need all the emails out there we need everyone to talk not go fifth.
In for their protection under the Fifth Amendment as well -- in privatization.
He isn't the guy can do this everybody who works there -- and the president and his.
Political guys need to stop interfering in the press with this investigation.
Grover Norquist thank you so much -- --
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