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-- -- -- On the fate of holder the multiple White House scandals and it's humbling job approval numbers for the president pleased to welcome former deputy assistant to President Bush and -- news contributor.
Bradley name and associate editor columnist for the hill AB Stoddard.
And eighty many news organizations including Fox News will not attend because this isn't off the record meeting why is an older letting journalists report on the meeting -- transparency which is what the administration is trying to convince this.
Well it that's a very good question and I think they should be perhaps televised.
He really wanted to make it clear that the system was gonna change and he did what they did for good reason they would have an open conversation but.
He is going to be a quite a question obviously.
Of the news outlets asking him how did you let this happen why would you ever of approved it.
Of of of these tactics why do you make its decisions you did.
And I imagine he's going to spin his way out of and it's going to be more a public relations sort of tore with the with the top -- and I think it was.
It makes perfect sense that all the people who are now in all these different news outlets investigating.
This scandal -- coming out of the DOJ from their own investigations into the press there on -- operations.
It's hard revenge -- to go to these meetings listen to the -- and how to be off the record.
So Brad do you think this plan to -- this off the record meeting may backfire and what's the likelihood actually -- -- it kinda great if when the organizations that has agreed.
To participate in this again off the record meeting actually does leak and reports.
What was on what went on during -- meeting.
You -- by the way it would clerical group came up with this idea for holder to meet with the press was actually the president United States he said -- holder would be doing this.
The same president who who promised to be the most open and transparent has now allowed because it was his idea holder to make -- off the record.
Conversation with a press that look.
Eric Holder taking the fifth to the press is is basically what he's doing.
He's telling the press I'll speak you but you can't have anything act attributable to what I'm saying.
In a meeting with the press what's impressive job to report.
So anybody who participates in this meeting is really that school -- Eric Holder manipulating the press more than he's already done.
So -- parent mother worried he could anything productive come of this couldn't get a new code of contact.
Between the DOJ and journalists both sides doing their jobs obviously DOJ trying to protect our national security looking at leaks that are.
Well I do think the attorney general is trying to change the conversation by promising changes at the department.
Encouraging senators Graham and Schumer and others on the hill.
About pushing for media shield law and trying to make the conversation as I said about the changes that they're gonna make.
It's unclear whether or not those changes would prevent anything like this happening in the future.
It prevent everything excuse me I should say like this happening in the future.
But we're still looking -- at someone who is being investigated for perjury a potential perjury.
By -- congressional committee and someone who personally was involved.
In naming journalists as a co conspirators and co conspirator.
And having a search warrant -- -- secrets that subject James present would never be informed because they want it as a fishing expedition.
That would go on for years it's still something he says he feels remorseful about.
But really begs the question of whether or not he can -- -- captain of all of the -- investigations.
Into the scandal.
As head of the department of wind you -- and it -- me on whether or not you think how many other journalists in an EP.
Phone records or grabbed our colleague James Rosen as well so how many others.
Well I mean I have no idea how many others I just know that in speaking to people in Washington now they're not really so fond of email as they weren't immediately I -- that they'd really rather just talk on the phone.
All right so Bradley your thoughts on -- this is it for holder.
He's been through already at full term longer than most.
Well -- certainly a drag on the president and we'll continue to be.
As long season that spot now holder is even be told to resign he's going to be able to resign on his own but the public may have the last say on him because as we've seen.
The pub the president's popularity the people's believe that the president being truthful and credible within is tumbling.
As tumbling fast and the president needs to get rid of those people around him assuming the White House is not vulnerable itself.
And clean house and it's not only at the Justice Department's other agencies.
The IRS specifically the State Department that needs to have a deep breath of fresh air blown -- and -- this president have any hope.
And in being effective and not being a lame duck sooner rather later.
You mention the IRS and since they're talking scandals let's hit it there this news that -- former commissioner Douglas Schulman.
Over a 150 visits to the White House would make of that I mean it just it's just curious it does does who who -- out into the White House that many times that period short period.
-- this is something I know a little bit about because I scheduled president 43 I was in charge of his time and I'll tell you it is it is not unusual it's incomprehensible.
That an executive department head would be at the White House 34 times in a tenure and in over a 118 times specifically during the period.
Either we're talking about -- of the targeting a political.
Groups it's it's unheard of in the reason I believe it's happening and it happened is because there's no paper trail.
They're not using the phone they're not using emails are summing this guy getting -- -- and he's doing something.
The with the execution orders he's -- -- the White House he's not coming to have coffee and the first thing he remembers about the outcome of the white yeah.
Historic role that you know -- Larry if I hit cut line.
That's all you can her Condit is such a great point the other -- news regarding the IRS scandal today is -- the IRS has named a new chief risk officer.
However a quinnipiac poll shows 76%.
Actually -- -- special IRS.
-- yell at you comment on this and whether or not think it's a productive step to cleaning up.
How well it certainly is I mean they've they've taken some want to professional from the general accounting office and it is it really is.
Sort of that watchdog group that investigates.
On behalf of congress and and and they -- professionals and I think that they're gonna come -- end and and do.
The right thing I mean is certainly one step I wouldn't say that.
It precludes the idea out of a special outside prosecutor.
But it is their first good step in someone's got to get in there and and really identify how the system was -- and where.
How far the culpability spread weather just -- that Cincinnati office are all the way to the top leadership.
In Washington and how something like that can get started and go on for so long.
All right well thank you both for weighing in on the top headlines of the day Brad late -- and AB Stoddard.
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