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-- -- What -- congressional panels are planning hearings next week the further investigate the RS scandal.
Our next guest sits on one of those committees the ways and means and he's called for real tax reform.
Congressman Tim Griffin of -- come to welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me I appreciate it.
You know person going to talk about is this the idea of tax reform because.
All of these scandal seems to have thrusted that that that into the public guy once again.
And yet I hear from Republicans and Democrats you guys can't be talking about the same thing.
Well I think this is another really really good reason for tax reform you know week.
We give our most expansive powers.
Two one of our most if not our most.
Intrusive agency that being the IRS.
And if you really -- to get the IRS.
The ditches so to speak and under control.
The way you do that is you take away a lot of the discretion.
That they have over the code by reducing the complexity.
Of the -- -- -- right now the IRS decides what.
The numerous provisions mean.
Whether you or complying with those provisions.
And what the penalty is if you're not.
And you know they are you sure you can appeal what you could ultimately go to court but.
That's that just requires more resources -- the bottom line is.
If we -- if we reduce the complexity of the code get rid of not all right get rid of a water provision.
What what what what with all due respect almost every presidential candidate says they're gonna go in and a look at the code line by line.
And yet it grows every day like a mighty red would -- mean it just that you can't stop it gets bigger not smaller.
And so realistically I mean.
Can't we can't we take away the power from the IRS can't we really going there and and break apart the tax code and make it less onerous you know more transparent.
-- -- -- and take away the inability of any.
To use government agencies specifically there -- -- as a political weapon.
Is that really truly possible.
Yes I think it is -- mean you're never gonna eliminate all bad conduct misconduct.
In agencies but yes.
You can make it much much.
And you can reduce the influence of the IRS we have not had.
Tax reform since 1986.
So the fact that we had it in 1986.
And we've had it before that.
Indicates that yes.
It can be done but yes it is rare and it's a heavy left.
And I'm on the -- -- Ways and Means Committee and this is what we're working on right now and I think with.
Senate Finance Committee baucus not running for reelection.
I think this is the time to get this done.
The presence on board with the corporate tax part of the equation.
That even Elaine that was in his budget that's a big deal that we've got them -- bored with that.
I think -- Reid would let regular rule over work its will in the -- senate.
We're certainly gonna have something in the house right let's -- -- -- conference.
Small and speaking a meeting and conference.
Where do you think that there commonalities where -- have you spoken to -- democratic colleagues.
Do you think OK we've got a foundation for this because both sides think it's a no brainer.
Well I think the general concept.
Of reducing the complexity.
Reducing a lot of the provisions not all but a lot of the -- dot deductions.
Loopholes exemptions whatever you want to call home.
And reducing the rates.
Using the revenue you get by closing some of those.
To reduce the rate that general comments dropped.
Is agreed upon not only by ways and means chairman -- came out.
But also finance.
-- committee chair baucus so.
That the specifics.
-- -- won't be what the same but but you know what.
We work through differences all the time a little regular order is allowed to proceed.
Well well sir I gotta tell you -- this is one of the things that all Americans no one's gonna give you any push back on us so we certainly.
Wish you luck and we're really happy that you're taken charge of this and will last you back guys you make progress with -- thanks a lot for taking out the times that he promoted and.
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