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And -- -- -- always thank you very much for that and I think there's some.
Point so we're just made there that can plot -- plot -- next segment which haven't greens and politics and rules of business.
And President Obama today set to deliver a speech defending -- counterterrorism plans and policies is the administration.
Admit publicly with a publicly for the first time that four Americans have been killed in drone strikes overseas since 2009.
We welcome -- now Donald Rumsfeld the former secretary of defense because he is the author of the new book called.
Leadership lessons in business politics war and life and I think they're probably listening to our conversation with Dan there's some things we could talk about the current administration may be.
Rules that you've outlined that apply but let me ask you quickly.
About some of the news events of the day the president's speech today.
Making a new push it appears to close Guantanamo Bay at the same time going public.
With what many of us already assumed that these drone strikes were killing Americans overseas what do you make of all that.
Well -- Think the difficulty and with respect to Guantanamo is -- what are you gonna do with these people what's left down there are the worst of the worst.
These are people have been scooped up on the battlefield they're being treated humanely but there are no longer able to threaten the American people.
The drone strike kind of relates because to the extent you use a drone or an airplane I mean that's all -- drone here is is an airplane without a pilot.
Flying it but but to -- extent he is -- drone to kill somebody.
You don't have the ability to find out what they know so that you can protect the American people.
And there are certainly I think drones are here they're going to be used and by governments many governments they're going to be used by the private sector.
And I think what we need to do always is develop a way to think about how they ought to be used and quite honestly how they ought not to be.
It's -- all this comes at a time where.
The war on terror is changing or evolving and of course you were -- Involved directly in the response the September 11 attacks but in the news recently we have this awful attack yesterday.
For example in London where this.
And somebody's literally chopped to death in the street just the worst of the worst -- by an attacker in the Boston Marathon bombings here in New York with that.
So and I have Brothers different type.
A terrorist attack but a terrorist attack nonetheless and how what what grade would you give us where where where are we more than a decade after September 11.
Well I think.
People still don't really understand what the nature of this threat of terrorism is.
That what do you say war on terror people think of World War II or Korea or some major combat.
In fact what we're dealing with here is it's something quite different it's much more akin to the Cold War.
Where we need we -- then for decades we had to compete against Communist ideology.
The problem here is we have an administration.
That won't even identify the nature of the threat they won't describe the enemy.
And they call what took place at Fort Hood.
Workplace violence which is nonsense.
We talk about that as it relates a little bit I think to you your new book as a set it's called rumsfeld's rules.
And give this some by the way for our business audience -- allotted here that if she -- a CEO in the past that would apply aiming.
Reduce the layers of management I think a lot of people would identify with find ways to decentralize know your customer all these types of things that are in your rules for business.
Audiences but more generally why did you write this book now why -- it.
Well I've been collecting these rules they're they're.
The ideas that came to me from people a lot smarter than I am.
I've been doing that since I was a youngster and in the Ford White House president Ford heard me talk about some of the rules and -- media.
Typed them up and get them circulated to the senior staff which I did and he labeled them rumsfeld's rules even though a lot of them come from not Rumsfeld at all.
But from people like Winston Churchill -- or -- Seneca or.
-- -- and any number of people but I think -- -- -- and I think that you know when life gets better and make original mistakes rather than then repeat mistakes that others have made.
I think that's kind of -- the larger role that leads to these smaller roles is there and it is there a reference in there.
At all to your own -- to your tenure as secretary of defense there recent making original mistakes I mean.
People would have absolutely on the Iraq where for example where the mistakes made in the run up there in the justification for that war weapons of mass destruction that were never found for example where there.
Rumsfeld rules that they weren't followed.
Well he indeed -- that there's no question but that in that instance that there's a rule in there that says if it's intelligence it's not a fact.
And that's an important thought because.
When when that case was made by the president by Colin Powell and by the director of central intelligence George Tenet.
They were talking about what the intelligence said and and -- the rule is if it's intelligence it's not a factor for a fact it wouldn't be intelligence.
There you know there's there's so much more we -- dig into we have more time map we -- people say -- to guess all the time but it's true I wish we did have more time Ditka kind of go through this piece but these specially with some of the business side of the far.
Our audience but -- to read the book thank you mr.
secretary for coming out.
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