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A guy who knows this very well and then -- -- as part of this as a prosecutor Whitewater prosecutor Robert Ray on this.
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When you see someone take community who's a government official are sorry takes the Fifth Amendment and asserts their Fifth Amendment privilege that spells trouble.
So it's a more serious situation today than it was earlier this week.
And it indicates is we already know that the matter is in the Department of Justice is Hanson has been for at least eight days since the release of the inspector general's report.
From the IRS.
They're gonna have to make a determination fairly quickly about whether or not there are in for the long haul.
Or whether they need to set a process in motion which I'm sure they're considering now about whether or not.
It calls for the appointment of the special prosecutor meanwhile -- just -- -- has a criminal investigation governor.
What difference would -- special prosecutor they get extracting information from some -- -- -- -- or anyone else for that.
The -- all the powers that the Department of Justice would ordinarily have.
But -- one is significant advantage and that is independence and also presumably.
Public sentiment behind.
The fact that they would be able to conduct an independent but I can plead the fifth reviewed just as much as I can with a -- I'm sure.
And but if that's special prosecutor or special counsel is appointed.
Decisions that would be made ordinarily by the Justice Department we made by the special -- one of which will be.
Do you grants that witness immunity to find out what it is.
She might know about contact with higher level officials within the I -- and also the White House.
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-- the pattern -- you see in a lot of investigations as they ensued that.
People don't talk and they feel that this past and they don't want to talk there's no compelling reason for them talks of an open goes away.
But -- it just fuel.
What is going to be -- protected lengthy.
Involved maybe some -- long.
Scandals environment -- by taking that cost.
Well sure it ratchets things up in the on the one hand personally.
For the witness who was slowest learner.
It will -- on advice of counsel -- -- protect herself.
She asserted her Fifth Amendment privilege that on that -- point -- -- learned you're far smarter.
IC data system ninety persons and world and must be hiding something is obviously logic for pleading the fifth but to the American people -- secure place that doesn't.
Well she's apparently made statements to the committee under oath -- the question is whether she would be in a position to make further statements on advice of counsel.
Because of the potential of inconsistency she asserted her fifth -- privilege.
Now understand the purpose of the Fifth Amendment was also to protect the S and not just to protect the guilty.
So you know she is it she's made -- a big step here.
But it's not an insignificant one because of the appearance that you suggest and I think I also would suggest you that in all likelihood it means her government career is over.
-- at the very -- out it will one of the things that -- Marco Rubio had raised with me is that if anyone at the IRS is doing this kind of stuff.
And hiding information and and targeting groups they should go to jail and not -- they had and and worse.
Well what what have we learned since Watergate and every single scandal sense it's not the underlying conduct says he's usually the trouble it's the cover up which causes the problem.
So if there instances where people were obstructing justice were making false statements.
That spells trouble and it also spells a protracted investigation.
All right so let's say you're not speak.
You could argue I'm not speaking yet unless I can get a deal.
That's the other part.
The short right.
Sure and lawyer representing a client under those circumstances I think was you know on the one hand you try to make things no worse.
So you assert your Fifth Amendment privilege that you can't do anything that's -- -- make things worse than they already are.
And the second thing is that you don't know where this is going you don't know in whose hands it will be will be in the Justice Department's hands.
We'll be in the hands of the special counsel is congress going to take simply -- -- role here and that's the end of it.
You know since you don't know the hit deals right you want someone to sing like a -- right and you're up the food -- right but it's not clear who the decision maker will be -- mean congress has the power to grant that witness immunity can compel the testimony now it ordinarily won't do so because of the Oliver North probably if you do so -- -- any.
Department of Justice investigation potentially not only of that person but of anybody out the end of coming here I'm sure aren't in the yours that there you'll theatrics of that but it also -- the prosecution understood.
On this you've got a pretty fine legal minded mean now I'm using -- smoke there's fire where there you know fifth amendment rights being made -- there's.
Something -- sure this is a story that's not going away why because taxes in politics don't mix.
The public is understandable -- justifiably concerned about what happen.
Public sentiment will be in favor of getting to the bottom of this.
Were only eight days into a criminal investigation I suspect that the Justice Department is gonna have some very difficult decisions to make about whether or not.
It continues forward -- whether it decides to -- and cut -- And asked for the appointment of the special counsel.
Not motivated justice -- Robert Ray thank you very much are good senior again.
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