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-- simply the questions and answers previously given to the inspector general.
I don't know what -- does that have to look at it.
I've decided to follow my counsel's advice.
And not testify or answer any of the questions today.
I will not answer any questions or testify about the subject matter of this committee's meeting -- she ought to stand here and answer our questions.
That was day three of the IRS hearings clearly obviously very productive.
It even when the -- official who was in charge of the unit responsible for targeting this scandal not answering any questions.
Are we going to see where a ball would people not paying their taxes.
-- -- you wait here to weigh in on the latest is held -- Former assistant secretary for economic policy at the Treasury Department and know -- Breslow CEO on deck capital welcome to both of you.
No let me start with you.
Why should pay my taxes that these guys are upon the girls -- I -- -- kind of joking but kind of not because they're not following the rules.
I -- the roles.
Look -- I think we absolutely have to have people continue to pay their taxes and we can let the dish run away with -- here right what we gotta do to sort of stay focused on what the real issue is -- it which is.
Confidence in the IRS has been shaken.
We really -- but it's copyright they're excited heard that saying over never get over the past week.
Who has ever confident the -- -- I never felt good about that you can do you think the average American person.
I've Philip let me ask -- the average person out there.
Did they feel -- -- IRS.
Yeah I think people is that the RS there is -- pay taxes.
But they're confident in the sense that police in the -- -- -- -- the right place we're confident that our neighbors are paying their taxes and to -- -- -- confidence -- -- you're -- accomplished since -- -- -- -- are the paying their taxes.
I mean that is one of the big deal might actually what we talked about.
Apple yesterday I mean a lot of people think corporate America isn't paying their taxes so -- -- that point.
You know I apple is paying taxes it it has to pay bylaw and it following the law that that really did attorneys and really good accountants.
And the different as far as anyone could tell that -- in the law.
-- I think it's hard to blame them and -- -- -- -- of my neighbors are at a better accountant than I do.
Then you know it's -- -- credit to them but I'm pretty confident that that that people.
In the US on the whole not every single person -- taxes and that's what I'm -- worry that that that has been shaken by the Cyrus scandal.
Especially now I mean when we hear about hire -- employees using their credit card their corporate credit card for personal purchase as.
Which of course when you look at the list which will put up on the screen here this is my money.
That I have worked very hard -- earning you have this you -- -- sanity -- I'm sure I'm not saying her name right but.
Using her government credit card for years on Amazon.com.
Shopping thwart it chocolate fondue fountain.
Bollywood movies Pampers harlequin romance novels Omaha steaks apple bottoms skinny jeans I mean that sounds like a -- yeah.
It's an unbelievable lists Melissa yeah I mean -- -- has a 100000 employees and I think these these actions of this one employer completely regrettable.
-- but the same time the real issues here are that you know we deal with small business owners and our company and they -- four weeks every year preparing their taxes right.
So I think the real issue and the shame of all this is that tax reform just so badly needed.
Might get postponed -- we get distracted from it arm while this whole IRS thing you know blows through -- Do you think that's occasionally may just feeds -- tax reform I was thinking that -- -- be the one good thing that comes out of this.
Is that really draws attention to the fact that this system is very much broken and needs to be changed immediately.
Yeah I think it does highlighted people knew it but this is an illustration and get with the apple luck texas' situation you mentioned I think it's the same -- You know -- -- tax reform -- on a plea pretty slow train here.
But you know it is hard to see going forward this year you know we had a lot of instances of people that were testifying today just being really cute I mean one was deputy Treasury Secretary -- wall and didn't.
If you saw him today as they got up but I think we have video of this we can go ahead and play this.
If you saw as he got up and everybody has has he sworn in at the very beginning he took a nice sidestepped various.
Stepping out of the frame.
So that when they took the key picture of those who -- really getting sworn in which you know -- be on the front page of every paper tomorrow he wanted to make sure he wasn't in it.
-- -- Pleading the fifth today but making a statement before -- even started I did nothing wrong I did nothing illegal.
I followed every rule out there and then by the way I'm not -- answer any questions.
The American public this is the very thing that makes us all feel like very bunch of jokers.
You know it's it's really interesting that she took that course because she sort of didn't totally plead the fifth and didn't totally give an explanation of her behavior she sort of took the middle road and -- a little bit of teaching you do that and I don't think you can't I mean we we saw on your other station Fox News recently a judge was testifying saying.
It actually doesn't work what she did in the first part of her statement kind -- the effect of pleading the fifth in the second so.
I think she got advice from her legal counsel didn't execute it correctly and it turns -- she's kind of in Orlando I think where that wound up.
And you -- fill up all of this is really taking us away from what the original problem was here with the IRS and if you look at some of the things they did in this original scandal.
And specifically asking a question of the coalition for life from Iowa quote please detail the contents.
Of the members of your organizations prayers.
Is that appropriate question from the IRS.
-- to me that's exactly the scandal -- is wildly inappropriate.
-- in -- this is outrageous that you say I did nothing wrong right -- is manifestly wrong what you just said is that the tip of the iceberg.
If you say I did nothing criminal and let you know -- the -- -- to decide that but to say there was nothing wrong I think that's outrageous.
So no what are we go from there.
Well you know we've got to get through this this thing I think -- you have two alternatives right you've got sort of incompetence and mismanagement the sort of happen by chance and and what have you.
Or it was a targeted thing and we need to figure out which one of those it was in the people you know need to be held accountable for it -- that I would come back to this issue of tax reform we need to -- move beyond this.
And get to the core issue for consumers and business owners.
Maybe that you need to -- it comes out of all this because I really think that I -- heard other people say that they think this really.
I'm stalls tax reform but I think maybe its first exit brings a guy does shine the light how disastrous the system is and that would be good for our money for what's right for America threat if we could see a real reform here all right thanks to both -- think you.
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