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Spencer Abraham is the former energy secretary under president George W.
Bush let's bring him in for some reaction what we just talked about mr.
secretary great to have you thanks for coming on.
I'm Melissa good -- with you feel about the hopes this pipeline given what you just heard what you already now.
Well I I find it sort of mind back.
-- that we've gone this long without a decision by the administration.
The only thing they're decisive about is vetoing legislation that would move the pipeline forward and so.
To me ever and I think there's a lot of excuse making going on at 16100 Pennsylvania Avenue I think -- they don't want to do it say it you know announce they're not gonna support the pipeline.
And let people know this.
Or if -- for it then you know be decisive.
It's a matter of jabs it's a matter of national security it's a matter of economic security.
These are the kind of issues we need leadership in Washington.
-- -- passive that he.
Absolutely I mean -- -- your guy obviously who knows energy inside it out.
I think with what's going on with shale and fracking and this pipeline -- even with Americans using less fuel than ever before.
That this could be our chance to really rebuild the economy that the same way the Internet.
Came into play and turn around the economy in the ninety's -- that energy could be -- thing right now I mean it's ironic because we have so long -- dependent on others for energy.
Is the pipeline a key part of that and do you think that's a real -- -- might just.
To -- I think he I think you set a better and I could and I think the pipeline is is part of it because.
-- The energy that your that your producing and having more pipeline.
And the ability to move product.
-- -- -- the cabinet is is an important ingredient.
One of the points that I think he also -- just focus on is your thing about this and you kind of alluded to before is this.
If this doesn't happen candidate this this oil's not gonna sit in the ground in Canada -- going to go somewhere else.
They'll be a pipeline.
To the Pacific Ocean and this oil will be.
We'll be used someplace else on the planet so.
To question whether the US will be a part of it and benefit or whether or not we'll sacrifice energy security.
For the sake really of timidity.
Yes I mean you're somebody that knows the inner workings of the government you heard me ask the congressman what could be traded away right now in order to make this happen and of course you couldn't really answer that question but what do you think I mean how do you get a deal on this -- do you think that the president.
Is dead set against it and is going to stand in its way or is there a way to make a deal that gives him political cover.
Maybe with the environmentalists and it's not his fault that it goes well but it's still goes straight out.
It it's a shocking situation that we would be in a position.
To enhance the energy security and the economy of the United States and we have to sit here and try to speculate about I know why don't we know we can't get what -- should we -- United States he's been reelected I mean he has no more campaigns laughed.
What does he need political cover for at this point he should be doing the right thing for the country -- and I think he's dead set against it he's just not gonna ever do it this is gonna happen.
-- that's my assumption because I don't know at this stage what's left in terms of rationale for deciding.
The the facts are and they've been debated endlessly.
He's got his -- you know command of the information as much as he's gonna get.
He should decide didn't and let us know he's either for or against enhancing America's energy security now is against stiff fine I understand that he is -- want people who know and if that's his position.
But sooner or later they're gonna realize that when he -- -- act.
This could be exactly the thing that could help our economy really turn around this whole revolution.
The pipeline is a key part of.
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