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Our next guest started hearing complaints about conservative groups.
Who claimed they were being targeted by the arms.
Back in February of 2012.
He's demanded answers from my IRS ever sense.
But he may not be getting them tomorrow from the top IRS employee.
Who is involved in those those abuses treatments of the conservative groups.
As -- reported -- -- the official that reviews nonprofit groups.
Plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment that the house oversight hearing tomorrow joining us congressman Jim Jordan a member of the oversight and Government Reform Committee as well as a member.
The Judiciary Committee congressman good to have you with -- It into it you are you surprised that bill Lerner -- decided to take the Fifth Amendment.
Well I mean look we don't know that she's actually gonna do that she's scheduled to be in front of the committee she's been subpoenaed.
We hope she's a public servants he was in the middle of this.
Scandal we hope she's willing to come there and like a public servant like an individual who works for the American taxpayers -- these -- the company into the questions.
So we'll see tomorrow what happens I've seen the reports but she still scheduled being on the committee tomorrow.
Our she's still under subpoena.
And you know all of the discussion.
That we have heard in the media and done well from from senators and congressman.
People seem to be unsure as to whether or not anybody would go to jail.
In this scandal apparently.
Apparently somebody thinks there -- -- go to jail because she's taking the Fifth Amendment isn't that a logical conclusion.
Well I mean again.
Woolsey what happens tomorrow he's scheduled to be there we want to ask the questions easy when you're talking about someone taking the fifth and -- it seems a person should do that's Jay Carney has his story changes every single day.
But with -- -- -- schedule -- -- by the committee -- hope she's there and -- he answers questions from all members Republican and Democrat -- -- get to the truth.
The truth looks like it's going to be difficult Steve Miller -- acting commissioner who's leaving now.
What arrogance as he held his head down at that table.
By omission I've never seen such arrogance from a bureaucrat.
Well I remember the fact pattern here.
The identifier words were changed so the whole formula for how they selected and targeted conservative groups was changed -- back in June of 2011.
And yet nobody knew anything about it after that all the way up until just last week some people.
-- testified he didn't know about this until last week when the story broke so it it just doesn't pass.
Common sense it doesn't pass the fundamental smell test the idea.
That the very agency charged with enforcing Obama care.
Was systematically targeting conservative groups that came into existence because the opposed obamacare.
And they were doing it for a two year time period and they started the very month.
That obamacare became law.
And nobody knows about and this was just the work of a couple agents in Cincinnati.
That makes absolutely no sense and the American people understand it makes no sense and that's why they're appropriately outraged.
Are appropriately out raise your talking about common sense the latest Fox News poll today.
Shows that more than 60% of Americans surveyed believe this is a cover up.
-- and that the president the White House was involved in this deal.
A -- -- the American people pretty hard to fool but they're also very hard.
To galvanize into action and congress has already found the attorney general.
Guilty of contempt of congress yeah.
What -- you do on the house oversight committee here to -- wrong.
Pursue the truth it's real simple I had a colleague said there's no statute -- limitations on the truth.
Pursue the truth pursue the truth in the -- -- scandal pursue the truth in the -- scandal has pursue the truth and holding -- situation and -- -- and uncover.
What appears to be this environment of intimidation that exists in this administration.
I mean -- remember they've retaliated against Greg -- when he came forward.
And told what he went through that night and in -- They're retaliating against conservative groups who have the audacity to stand up and say obamacare should be the law of the land an exercise their first amendment rights and they're retaliating against certain members.
Think about -- -- fox what he's going through so this environment of intended.
That's what the problem is and that's why we have to -- is not about politics here is about pursuing.
It's is your -- are suggesting.
If this were one scandal.
If there were two scandals -- worth three but it's really four and potentially.
Potentially far more.
This is each of these is -- part of a peace and we're believes real -- hopefully tomorrow we'll start to learn even more when we uncover -- -- and oversight and you are.
Get on the people's business congressman good to have you with it -- -- accident thanks congressman Jim Jordan.
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