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-- next guest says from the beginning of the Ben Ghazi scandal there's been a concerted effort.
By the Obama administration to conceal the nature of the attack and the administration's response joining us is congressman Ron Desantis a member of the Judiciary Committee oversight and government reform and the foreign affairs committee.
Congresswoman Norton good of you to be -- I wanna start with.
What is now it appears an eight months stonewalled by this administration.
On the backs and then -- A broadening.
In the Internal Revenue Service the Justice Department.
It's overreach -- in the cases of the Associated Press Fox News other journalists are stepping forward now.
Fast and furious.
My god what is going on.
Well I think we really just suffer from a complete lack of accountability in this town.
It's amazing you had previous guests on talking about how politicians.
Will hold people in private industry to exacting standards and CEOs are just presume to know what's going on.
Yet when we talk about the executive branch.
It sucks nobody sees any thing nobody knows anything.
Mistakes were made there were systemic failures and these are the excuses that typically get bandied about -- in this town.
And I just don't think that's acceptable for the American people Manama former navy guy you know navy commanders and they have their ships they're responsible.
For what happens even if it's a low level sailor who makes a mistake.
I think we need apply those same standards the people here in civilian government.
There is it's pretty clear that Steve Miller they aren't going acting commission of Arabs did not served in the navy.
Pretty clear that Schulman did not either.
They avoided responsibility.
-- if it were the playing and indeed it may be for this administration.
Do you believe tomorrow when lawless foreigners there there are reports as we've shared with the audience tonight that she will take the Fifth Amendment.
Do you believe that you can be persuaded to be forthcoming are such talks under way tonight.
I'm not -- of talks are.
I'm not optimistic that he can be persuaded just judging by her history of making false statements to congress.
And then she was involved when they actually announced this to try to get ahead of the IG.
They do it by planting a question.
In the audience to make it look like it's a spontaneous response this is just not the type of conduct.
That I think got people expect folks especially folks who were not elected by anybody.
But yet as we've seen who who yield -- significant power to target Americans based on their political.
-- One of the most breathtaking.
-- bombshells from this administration was today -- Arnie.
-- it's sad that only the the president's council.
Counselor had been aware the IG report today.
Had to admit.
That the chief of staff Dennis -- -- other senior presidential advisors.
Knew about the the report in April and actually worked talking with the Treasury Department about how to deal with that.
Question that was ultimately plant your reaction.
Well again in -- private setting let's say.
A General Counsel for -- business -- they would immediately goes to the CEO because ultimately that individuals responsible yet we're being led to believe that somehow.
These individuals in the White House knew about this.
But somehow just did not think to tell the president that his IRS had been used as a political weapon against his opponents.
That is hard to believe if that is somehow true.
Then those people are guilty of serial.
For not keeping that head of state and foreign.
On the workings of his government.
It's it's stunning to even consider the possibility.
That anyone would consider it wise or are responsible.
You're not inform the president of the United States.
About what is obviously.
And ethical you know.
Most likely on legal.
Conduct on the part of an agency rich he has of course responsibility.
I keep hearing how are these people -- about it's an independent agency.
If reports -- out of the Treasury Department reports to the president of the United States.
And the president of the United States can remove the head of the IRS.
They are not independent of the executive branch they are accountable to the executive branch and we rely on the president.
To hold these types of officials accountable because the president's the only one in the executive branch.
Who was elected to anything and -- -- walling him off for this or he's just wanting to be blissfully ignorant -- not really fulfilling the duty.
That he's charged with.
You just destroyed there -- one of the democratic talking points that they've been peddling.
Off for several days now that is that the president could not fire they had of the IRS.
We -- -- -- truth is just such a liberating thing that we thank you for bringing it with you congressman -- the sentence.
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