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If you're the White House what don't you want to -- anything that would keep any of these scandals dragging -- which is why the administration so far opposes the appointment of a special prosecutor.
To look into it -- are all of us.
To a former prosecutors that's -- The -- And essentially could -- with the absence of -- And -- honorable guy Whitewater special prosecutor Robert Ray what I remember most about Robert and he's a very modest fellow but I remember distinctly.
No bravado from you know so for you know hey look at me look at me on this story you deliberately.
And when it came to look at white water for example.
You said there was no there there effectively right right because it comes with -- the credibility of a full investigation to be able to say we've looked at it carefully.
And it takes courage to say but we're not going to go forward and no charges will be brought -- you.
You did leave out something -- also had come to your attention.
-- others seized on after yeah -- sure you just didn't think that was Jermaine.
That is if there are part of it but.
The President Clinton didn't -- an amendment that was a more complicated question about whether or not even if there was a crime committed whether it was appropriate to bring charges after the president left office run at a high crime mr.
-- -- -- warranted impeachment -- but the -- -- step back from this and this administration is -- To obviously tyrants but first prosecuted and RS -- -- and that's and it is not just Senator John McCain wasn't enough to monitor officers saying look.
Are we need at least -- special panel to investigate and got the call everybody back Hillary Clinton as well and just sort of reexamine -- question.
That is one step shy of a special prosecutor what do you think about.
That's probably right because is probably better in the first instance for congress to do it where there's political accountability.
You bring people when you put them under -- -- you can decide later based upon what transpires whether or not any crimes have been committed.
But to lead to a special prosecutor presupposes.
Two things and they both must be present first.
That you have some reasonable belief that a criminal activity was -- -- And second that there is a conflict of interest that prevents the Justice Department the ordinary process -- at the Justice Department.
Two investigated that would be true with regard to high level government officials within the Justice Department and department said it has reached a -- release of the IRS for itself to be looking at a criminal.
Well there's location they -- data from the standpoint of the inspector general focus our attention and that's a different thing as to whether or not prosecutors get involved deciding that potentially a crime may have occurred and what what did you make of the chief counsel the White House not passing along.
To the president.
That that there was this discovery -- Paris on the one hand of course it's in the case in the big part of the white house counsel's job is to make sure that the president doesn't get surprised by anything and so there was it looks good looks like advance warning.
That and IG report was nearing completion to Larry David says she should be fired of course the -- former chief counsel just for not passing -- While the White House this position which is at least when you notes superficially.
Has merit is wait a second you know if we were to step in.
And I looked like interference that would look like interference and so I guess on the one hand you can say well the obligation the White House counsels to keep the client inform the client is the president.
On the other hand if you keep that the president informed with regard to something this preliminary it leads to the possibility that there could be interference.
-- what did I don't understand is the administration.
Saying that we are on top of this will examine this was RS sort of Justice Department looking at the -- Sanger.
What anyone -- number -- in other words to me it -- of fox guarding penthouse.
And -- it might be just fine they might be about looking like to -- to to protect themselves.
But if it doesn't pass the smell test -- the legal expert on top -- where I'm not.
But it doesn't pass the smell test and find there's a lot of people who are increasingly coming to that can conclusion but some do you want it should have a prosecute -- senator a lot of right people should go about doing their jobs the people that are already in place before you bring anybody else into the equation I think you have to you know reach a point where.
You've explored other role players and that's a benefit a prosecutor takes the burden off.
The agencies themselves with the administration.
And then however long it takes.
They're working on it there -- examining their questioning there are investigating.
And you guys go on with your business well public sentiment seems to be in the direction of not a huge amount of appetite yet yet yet.
For -- what makes that for a political scandal for a political scandals secularism was not rewarded it wasn't I'm -- -- conference.
There was no -- even with -- -- right public sentiment has a way of changing weather changes and if the public -- -- that there really isn't there there and it's not just it's always about politics but not just about politics than that that that public sentiment will change.
Did you forget -- when you effectively came back to the American people and -- I mean I don't think I have enough to make -- -- -- sure it's a tough call to make but you're trying to make the right call and do your job.
And when your account of the streets and feared special prosecutors that.
They've got to get something not right that and that's predestined not -- guise -- are you saying well.
Hope all the investigate Bryant blindly and -- -- about unseated an Arab.
And walk away.
Well I think the recent experience with Scooter Libby and others who have serious questions about the appointment of special counsel or independent counsel is that once you put one in place invariably inevitably.
They look for something to prosecute.
And had an out of control right or they do other things that are collateral to -- central purpose for which they were appointed you have to be very very careful about doing that.
Ultimately you're accountable to the American people and you try to make the best call that you can.
But you know the difficulty is there's an incentive created with enormous amount of power that comes with -- to be able to find something when there's no there there -- You know will be stories just anecdotally which pretty administration changing stories in the -- changing stories on the IRS.
And there might not be any criminal activity but this certainly is an appearance of impropriety or inconsistency.
Does the prosecutor do the -- new.
Raise serious questions over just that that warrant follow you more hearings are more investigations that is something doesn't smell right -- you.
There's clearly a political issue.
I think that political issue is sufficient that -- the pressure was turned up enough that.
People's stories should be locked into testimony under oath and subpoena issued issued to find out the relevant information.
If people have -- and there are crimes have possibly have been committed than that of course changes the equation in that warrants further investigation which could lead to.
Subsequent department of justice and criminal investigation or the possibility of the appointment of the special council because invariably they stumble upon stuff in the -- in case -- some -- you have with the taping system at the White House or build Wednesday's.
Oddly it stumble -- investigations.
A good relationship with an intern.
On so would lead to -- and -- sorts of ways but but you -- kind conduct investigations just for investigation for the sake of investigation presumably you're doing it because you actually think.
But you're gonna find something now but will he stumble upon that.
We -- how to -- -- -- and that's in -- what happens and the question is you know when you stumble -- -- if you stumble on it is an important enough to actually do something about it.
Sometimes you just have to let them go sometimes are important enough to do something about -- -- real quickly the president dodging right now political bullet on that's his poll numbers are holding still early.
Bomb move -- think all of this -- hard to say but there's an awful lot of activity very early in the president's term second term.
Now you know -- when -- -- all right I'm Robert -- and a former Whitewater independent counsel.
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