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And -- thank you so much for that let's bring in former Republican governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota.
He's joining us from Washington DC with what he thinks of this.
But 1 big question this morning that they're finding out that -- white house council was told of this IRS.
In this report and the audits.
Some weeks ago should have Preston and have been told even then governor.
Well it obviously that concerns that are being raised by the IRS is activities and their potential motivations here are chilling.
And the question of who knew what when and what that they do about it is ended the defining question.
And we have something of this magnitude where a senior counselor knows about it.
You would think he -- she would want their supervisor there.
The person who they report to to know about it as well seems to be of such magnitude that it probably should have been reported up the chain if it wasn't.
And that begs the question.
What was wrong with that chain of command what was wrong with that process.
In the counterargument to that has been on from a number of people that you might create the appearance that there was interference with this independent investigation and that might be one of the reasons.
The president was not informed some weeks ago.
Do we got a couple more hearings coming up this week one last Friday do you expect that the American people find out really anything from these hearings.
Is it a waste of our time.
Well it is very difficult for an an entity to investigate itself so we do need it outside arm's length review of these kinds of situations and that's one of the proper roles for congress.
And they should make sure we get good facts so good information -- judgments can be made.
An earlier point -- that you made about.
Noticed something changed.
There's a difference between notice an interference and it is a sensitive area -- was in a similar circumstances when I was governor.
You want to be notified but then you can't take that information and try to metal or interfere with something that's.
Investigative or -- nature but nonetheless you can't make good judgments or be a good manager.
Unless you have good information if it's not coming to you.
That's a disservice.
-- do you think that the lack of management and the fact that this was going on within this arguably.
The most powerful division and our federal government in terms of our finances.
The fact that this was going on speaks to the problem of large government.
Of government that continues to grow in size.
Well it obviously something that's very large can be bit complex and more challenging to manage it doesn't mean it can't be managed.
And I do think we just need to make sure we get the facts.
Framed up here when you look at what happened.
You may have some very ill motivated misbehaving or incompetent or politically motivated people in office acting poorly -- I think that's clear.
Now the question is you know who knew what and what did they do about it and that needs to be reviewed and I'm sure it will be but let's all let's all -- good facts before we make final judgments and not.
I think if those are very very wise words governor thank you for being here is great stick with you as always please come back governor Tim thanks any bailout but let's in the lineup.
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