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The IG has done an audit it's now my understanding going to be recommended.
Recommending an investigation.
And attorney general holder also announced.
A criminal investigation of what happened.
I think we're gonna -- -- figure out exactly what happened.
Well former IRS commissioner mark Davis and heard that one and he really started.
Getting worried very worried news that the president is attorney general where essentially saying that there were quite confident they could handle this probe of these -- -- -- abuses on the around thank you.
No need for special counsels -- special.
And -- commission welcomes.
Q why is that.
Troubling to you you don't think.
It's a case of the government or wing at a number sort of policing itself or is it deeper than.
Well I'm not sure I actually said that -- but.
What do I do think that it what I said was it's very serious for the service what you get any credible the criminal inquiry from.
DOJ that -- at all or real dampening effect on the services is a horrible event for the IRS.
And I I'm confident that the congress we'll get to the bottom of this that you've got motive whatever is here for different.
Committees looking at it is just starting -- and I do think they're going to get to it.
Through with justice now so you know I really wanted to get -- to be a special committee aura about a special prosecutor -- -- that kind of stuff that.
Others had suggested going beyond just sort of like got -- either justice investigating itself.
Or justice investigating.
You -- Not just under cannot at this point OK -- not at this point out now if they're not my speculating that this is the case.
If you were to find things going into treasury -- in the White House or connect to -- this of course that becomes a very different issue but.
What what we've heard so far in the IG reporters NE IG report heard -- the testimony.
What you have I think it's it's pretty simple here you have an operation in Cincinnati that.
Was deplorable what it was doing it was on balance there road and you don't know I get might -- -- Cincinnati Elkins who moved out.
-- -- we're gonna look into all these conservative -- On status.
-- but what of its larger than that and what if it's -- -- well -- Cincinnati office.
They're going to find that out -- it to me that the IG report clearly documents that the that office was acting on its own and then.
When Lois intervened it took which took way too long right there one question here is why did it take so long -- she engaged to get this cleaned up.
That's one whole set of issues and then that office if I recall you know.
Then they discarded her guidance and it did something on their -- again that's -- that's atrocious that's bad management.
It should have been even handed.
Deal when I was at the service we did a lot of work on political intervention was C threes right -- -- afford no six.
And now is controversial but as -- -- certain organizations.
In this case it was liberal organizations thought there are being harassed.
Racy issues I asked the same IG Russell George look at it he came back a report -- -- that we could have done a better -- don't get me wrong.
But he clearly found that there was no politicking and it's -- I don't know falcons.
Remember at the time there was no concerted effort to go what to do a little girls series are much larger scale I guess the real -- -- -- only do there's more like.
Psychological or emotional type question did -- at what point to agents even their bosses come news.
The realization hey we are targeting.
Groups of -- political persuasion.
And and this is is is is is not right.
That's good that's what's so what disturbing here because even if there were four conservative groups for every.
Liberal group review well in the -- -- They should have had a balanced approach here so that they -- it would survive any scrutiny on the outside and it clearly wasn't the case and management didn't respond.
Promptly enough and then you have the whole set of issues that are being addressed today.
-- ways and means what was -- was the conversation candid.
With the congress which which makes us far more truck that difficult -- unravel.
Got to -- again I apologize for overstating your point of view but thank you very much that's all right sort of -- very much for joining us -- we appreciate it meanwhile.
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