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We've provided horrible.
Customer service here.
We'll admit that we did horrible customer service you went to market politically motivated -- -- as a very different.
Customer service that is the way the acting IRS commissioner described awful practices that the and our midst if we -- admits it was mired in for years but the -- is not a business and we are not its customers.
Individuals and businesses are forced to adhere to its widening authority.
In its decisions can actually destroy lives and businesses of thought not lost on our next guest who says.
His organization was one of those targeted by the IRS for its political views.
Kevin -- -- she is founder and president of the lynch -- of liberty and he joins us now.
Kevin when did you first find out that your group was being targeted and how.
Well I filed.
My application on -- in January of 2011.
I received a letter on in May of 2011 and that's when -- first begin -- a sinking feeling that something was amiss.
It wasn't until the end of December when I finally got a hold of A agent in Cincinnati office and actually that agent told me.
I said why is this taking so long as application process normally is a three month process two to three month process.
And he said and I quote we have been waiting on guidance from our superiors.
As to your organization and similar organizations.
What what was what was first of all -- -- there's been a lot of question about what the names of some of these Asian do you have the name of that agent at hand.
Well actually I do have the name of that agent and I'm keeping it disclose for now because we're number one there's a lawsuit is going to proceed next week.
I'm also being considered for testimony in congress on that post about it.
You do have names so even though names did not come out today and congressional hearings.
You do have names your gonna provide those two that -- under closed doors or or out in the public.
Not a will do that -- the public is just a matter of doing it at the right time OK I specifically in this is a question that is a very.
Sincere interest a lot of business folks were watching out there.
Were they asking you for the names of your donors does a lot of business people donate to a lot of causes.
Some due under the names of the companies some do personally where they ask -- for the names of your donors.
Well yes and it's important to understand that my organization has a 501 C three applicant.
Not a C -- like most of the other organizations we -- actually an educational organization.
And our motto is to challenge the imagination of the rising generation what that means is we work with young high school college students.
And engage them to read the great books and and and conservative political philosophies are focused.
Now why that's different.
-- because we didn't use the words Tea Party or conservative in our application yet we were targeted.
We were targeted because of our ideas so your question is did they ask for our -- yes they asked for our donors.
But they also asked for me to identify those -- -- execution and to give them.
Imagine what I would tell the parents.
-- some of these students are minors like it turn their names over the IRS now it's so.
Ever worked oracle question but what businesses have been reluctant to contribute to your organization.
If they had known that their names are going to be -- around among a lot of prior -- officials.
Well business is probably wouldn't contribute to my organization again because I'm an educational.
Non profit but I actually lost a 30000 dollar grant from a reputable non profit because they couldn't wait for the delay.
And and then in addition to that lost another thirty to 50000 dollars of my own funds so clearly there was damage -- -- and all of this is of interest because the president was pushing back in 2010.
For the names of donors to organizations.
Interest in organizations like yours effect we have a -- -- from the president back.
I believe it's march 2010 play that's now.
Of the -- did.
What ever -- clothing.
Although the drug.
The -- the oil industry could be the insurance industry.
Could even people -- wrong corporations.
So the president has complaining publicly about not knowing who the donors -- of these organizations and surprise surprise then the IRS begins to ask organizations applying for status.
Who -- are donors are.
Yeah and in again in my situation is particularly egregious because I work with young people for the IRS to be asking for the names.
Of the young people with whom I work it's illegal and I had to go back to the quoted the beginning of this.
The idea that Steve Miller said that is a customer service issue look.
Zappos sending the issue pair of shoes are too big as a customer service issue.
But using the IRS for political purposes is -- legal right right and we are captive audiences of the -- we are forced to do otherwise -- put us in jail.
Listen Kevin let us know what happens best of luck to you thank you so much for coming and I appreciate you very much David thank you.
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