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Ourselves and we didn't warn you -- tells it is smiled at that camera down what do you do when when when you're on the phone I guess he -- speak more clearly because.
-- -- now the Justice Department was secretly collecting information nominate -- reporters phones in and out.
On top of the -- going after Eric conservative groups you do have to wonder where you go.
And not be followed.
To my guys who.
Knows a thing -- about the sort of subject him whether it is nowhere to -- of course he.
It's the former associate deputy attorney general.
We had briefly talked about this this idea of the power of the government and an all of its machinations but but now it's one thing to be.
-- on on on the street but another thing to have every part about you scrutinize.
Tests and -- is it is scary and you know the government has a tremendous amount of power when it comes to investigating people.
And actually doing something with the information they collect and that's why.
It's important have a lot of controls government policies and also court oversight.
But Michael loved what happened post Watergate when Richard Nixon -- -- enemies list and use the IRS -- -- needs to do that the president -- losses that a bipartisan sort of the bullet point.
Here we're going again with the IRS loose and running a market during -- now we don't know who.
Was that was rogue agents or at the behest of of those in the administration which really dumb and I'm not pointing fingers but it's happening again.
Yeah we certainly don't want the IRS or any other agency to be making decisions based on politics you know it's one thing for the IRS to make sure that.
Companies that are applying for tax exempt status actually meet.
The requirements but it so wholly different thing for them to focus on one end of the political struck the spectrum before the other.
Do you think it was initially an accident that does so many of these.
Type of groups Tea Party groups by lives were popping up often at the same time I'm just trying to -- the benefit out here.
That they said let's screened or have an -- -- for anyone who uses patriot to the.
Our patriotic job loyal whatever and and -- a list of just conservative groups yeah well you know I think there was some reporting early on around the time with the election -- after the Supreme Court decisions Citizens United.
That freed up the ability for corporations and unions.
To spend unlimited amounts on elections.
There was some reporting that conservative groups we're taking advantage of that and raising a tremendous amount battery that was a decision -- converted zoos and the president criticized in the well house during -- -- union address in front of the Supreme Court justice and ironic way.
It comes back to bite him in this sentence right so I think there are there there could be -- rationale -- off the IRS believe that conservative groups were trying to take advantage.
Of this decision and get tax exempt status when they actually were entitled to it.
That could be a reasonable and it looks to obvious in this case an -- -- At what point you're doing bells should have gone often mean that -- -- -- wanted to do some options and hello.
Does it really.
Did anyone hear that this is all the same type of groups just to search terms alone -- that's how they were doing it looking just for Tea Party and then things like that.
That in itself strikes me as not very good way to go about this.
And that should have raised alarms and certainly there should -- issue profiling.
Which is just as bad as I -- -- absolutely right absolutely and it's you know it raises serious First Amendment concerns as well.
With the Justice Department in going after -- -- reporters again the understanding was that they were just trying to put him who might have league vital.
Safety compromising information to the news -- so there might have been the means to to that end.
It doesn't mean that the ends justify the means.
No -- -- -- -- -- but that I -- is very different you know it certainly does comforting when you hear that the government is investigating.
What reporters have been doing but understand that the circumstances here somebody in 2012.
Leaked information that the government had thwarted a very serious plot.
Developed in Yemen to bomb an airliner.
Now -- PU reports don't have authors are gonna reporters' names on them so you don't know -- the reporter is.
The government has to try to exhaust all other investigative.
Means to try to figure out who in the -- -- C.
But between that and then of course there RS thing and then win it didn't do the health and human services went beyond its its its purview.
-- -- companies to pony up dough to pay for a sense of publicizing health care law.
There are a lot of slippery slopes here -- there yeah I know Leo you certainly.
The appearance of all these things happening -- -- if you're in if you're in the government but the -- -- think I think is really.
Different and raises I agree would have a different -- no I -- driven out and and that's a scary right there you might -- -- think different but that when I -- I've will see that the bigger the bigger scheme and on.
Trashing my fellow journalists here but there there are some extenuating circumstances.
Michael thank you observe a moment -- my -- you --
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