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What whereas Russell Crowe when you need him or the guy Russell Crowe played in that 1999 film the insider.
About one Jeffrey why get on the famous brown and Williamson whistle blower who -- yelled out the cigarette company intensively.
Manipulated its tobacco bland then make its product even more addicted.
Why -- was harassed and threatened for doing all of that people forget when -- the whistle blower.
The pressures are enormous.
Now on the phone.
When -- makes -- all of us.
Welcome Jeff -- You know I'm I'm thinking about you and and remembering all you went through people forget or you went to the -- after the magazine uses there is a hero is.
Would exit -- was amazing.
At the time it wasn't so fun.
But maybe you can get me into it inside the group think where where this sordid behavior.
His countenance -- accepted how does that happen what happens.
I think we've become but I worked for -- -- -- than most certainly had a bit of culture within but it of having one.
Belief and understanding for the public -- that distribute the public than one which would be common book on a daily basis.
-- win -- did not want anybody who really quote blow the whistle on.
What was going on in the company and I would say the ethical moral culture within the company was not the share what they knew.
What's what bothers me a little bit about reading about all -- today in the eight the issue is that.
Where were people with the content given what's gone on for the last decade but the arms of inappropriate behavior -- they'd be coming or within the ire at the other way these.
Transparency and is there -- eight attitude book alliance with a culture of bystander -- we watch a wrong being done.
And then you do nothing about it but just watch it and I get in that case I need my particular situation was one that.
If -- by then it just as guilty of the fraud.
As the person who perpetrate.
But you know journalists assessing your case you knew something really weird was throwing arm that -- were as such is spiking the product.
And there were making it even more addictive than it already was for a lot of folks.
Yeah most certainly but at all but the same time billion dollars that was within the company.
Her -- five decades which -- -- line variety variety could.
That would not they would do almost anything to obfuscate that true they thought that the public dot they and -- legal position.
What do they believe -- -- that was so missed several octaves of famous Enron whistle blower told me that in the this group thing.
They actually are -- Actually see -- -- in what they're doing med.
That did that that did greater good is the greater company keeping it around keeping jobs and people employed.
Keeping -- industry vibrant.
Its product whatever it's turning out even -- in the case of Enron what it's doing as the -- an ally and in the case of your old company obviously it was far worse says yes -- you know.
Don't work -- that the detonated wanted to that it understands there emerged -- that I would do anything.
To keep that hoster and that.
Dogma -- -- out of public -- what happened.
Year do you think I mean where people are room whether -- rogue agents -- -- the IRS or they're just.
A little overzealous of the Justice Department going after it -- -- is where they somehow think that.
This is something we can do because it's with a greater good some of them honestly believe that but then they slip into doing something.
I don't really understand what the greater good is there.
I mean it -- somebody within the organization at whatever level.
And I I -- match him given the timeline of the book Stephen Miller the acting higher SP he was aware -- when he testified last play.
Why did -- not.
Acknowledge that there was wrongdoing.
But what does different spin that around what if he wasn't aware -- so his only other defense of me he was clueless and ignorant right.
Play out but -- what you pay managers for but I agree with you but it is interesting -- -- case -- a lot of your -- -- case.
They are they go -- -- hands on and on top of every -- to herald -- to ignorant of the on the on some abuses that come up.
It would slap in the face.
The problem is once just -- lying up commit committing a fraud.
Then you have to continue lying and distorting the truth forever ever.
Do you think this gets bigger -- your own knowledge -- house scandals sort of grow their own accord not apples and oranges I grant you.
But do you get a sense sister -- did anyone or combination of these get bigger than we know.
I'm afraid it might be I mean where they overzealous in terms of preventing.
It improper application that and tax free -- status given what went on in 200911 or twelve.
But he was that somebody down at the low end of the spectrum management spectrum.
-- society due diligence but some thought I mean it doesn't smell outweighed the bad debt.
But again we haven't -- -- IG's report.
That's coming out this Friday we haven't heard mr.
Miller's testimony again this Friday and see how it.
Chased out of it -- just kinda it's bothersome to me that the way it's come out.
No it does have a certain commonality -- -- -- and -- Out of it be the clue why didn't somebody that it is wrong but op Ed -- -- -- -- -- culture of bystanders and and the IRS.
Yeah they deliberately.
Secret that the what they still are not not have the culture of -- a -- they think they wanted to do something wrong.
That's the question I would -- and I I -- the -- that congressman.
And elect officials meet at mr.
Miller on Friday.
When he knew about how it it looked like is known about -- some time but didn't -- bother.
Well he's he's been in Iraq and our -- disease -- got to take back covered -- what he said just a little more than a week ago will watch closely different.
It is an honor having you thank you very much my pleasure -- -- -- -- -- --
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