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-- -- Well turning to immigration reform our next guest says that immigration reform could reinvigorate the economy -- -- to a high era.
Rate of growth in our economy more money per person in the workplace and budget reduction benefits as well we're talking about a lot of it.
Joining us is the former director of the Congressional Budget Office president of the American action forum.
Douglas Holtz they conduct great to have you here.
Thanks -- -- conservatives are -- you guys are tough walk I mean you guys have got an intramural battle raging over.
I have your forecast how could it be that all of you would go after -- well your own version of a reality that a seemingly have been kind of.
Some -- Well I I don't think there's so much of an eternal battle as I'm most conservatives believing in the power of markets and growth and marriage foundation -- roll out liar -- -- reports gotten a lot of criticism as a result.
I think the major thing the conservatives understand is that.
Immigration reform has the potential to be something which improves the growth rate of the labor force improves the quality labor force.
Allows us to meet some of our growth -- -- are desperate and that's always been but conservatives believe in allowing free people to pursue their Jameson society benefits so you're saying marriage foundation -- -- conservative.
That I would never -- likely even that doesn't believe in capitalism right there probably -- him.
-- now I am I talking about the report the report doesn't include growth they admit that.
The report has paints a very different picture because.
If you look at the report there really to -- features what's not -- -- and that's.
Everything about security issues whether at the border and internal.
Everything about sectoral high tech tag and temporary worker programs and everything about the -- economics and immigration.
That's not in there anywhere so the missing that piece and I think that's what.
Now you know leads a balanced report.
It let let's.
Let's let you hear.
Robert Rector is he responds to your report -- -- that your response to his response here -- -- -- got to.
-- hope Vick and his got some numbers he says that in fact instead of what you're are including in your report.
He says it would reduce the overall deficit by two and a half trillion dollars.
-- can be -- more of a swing that knack of it.
-- weeks I spent six months preparing this report it's about eighty pages long.
The appendix that it describes the methodology of what I did is over thirty pages long so anybody can look in -- every detail of my analysis.
Ian doesn't actually have a study your reporting basically has a press release about the study -- he might do.
Is he has provided about a page and a half of information.
About how he responded.
While I I was taught that brevity is the soul of -- not tried very hard always to write things which are exactly long as they need to be right what we look that was the difference between.
The typical immigration scenario on what the census -- a high immigration scenario.
We -- reported in the paper the facts on labor force participation -- higher than native born.
Business start -- by immigrants higher than the native born.
Productivity impacts as a result out of the research literature.
That it's just arithmetic and so I -- gallery has just I mean complicated at all that remains is something.
What is there a correlation between.
College degrees advanced degrees and employment levels is -- one.
There's no question that as your education goes up both -- unemployment rate goes down.
And you wages go up and his skills are at a premium in a global economy.
And so when you have eleven million immigrants.
That's the number being you eaten and more than half of them don't have high school degrees wind is your confidence level rise so.
Well here's the thing that The Heritage Foundation study does it says okay we've got those eleven -- And then immediately jumps to the conclusion that all eleven million will remain here when.
A big chunk them -- not qualify for legal status and that when they remain here.
They'll they'll be as you described relatively low wage workers but when you look at the details in his and is opus.
They get high Social Security benefits that's up with a security work that the system gets low benefits to low wage workers -- benefits I was -- so.
Illinois what they did it it's how -- they did it and you know there's nothing here that -- -- with a calculator wouldn't fix.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So there'll be pure.
People who actually stay here -- citizenship and bring in their families and so forth over the course of the.
Years ahead what is that number.
-- -- among the key here.
Lou is out of the eleven million.
There there are going to be some who qualifier for our press status to some who don't and and if you've got to felonies to -- -- -- just what's different over at the beginning a quarter Warren.
Ours was predicated not on those folks which I think -- shouldn't be the focus of attention -- is predicated on the new immigration flows.
And for the first time switching our immigration system -- -- away from family unification and toward economic merit.
Right that's the key part of this bill and that's I think should be the focus sort you're saying is let's get this business done and there will get rational was -- respected.
I wish I wish honestly that we could -- be able to pick and choose on -- issues immigration but the reality is we have one bill.
It has all these issues and -- so that's the do we analyze you know 88 it's.
Awfully tough for me -- and forgive me I mean I've been doing this for awhile.
And I've covered from him.
Decade IR I am well aware we have been here before huh huh huh.
But I have a very difficult time understanding where everybody gets their numbers.
Because I have confidence in the numbers of in -- the restrictions.
-- nor the open borders advocates are those who think that they're bringing an eleven million illegal immigrants.
Is the solution to adding a population growth to the equation for economic growth.
I don't think enough people -- being honest and up which is what a lot of folks are arguing about here.
Is whether -- not the only way to save the economy is and a bunch of people.
Do you think that's an unfair statement.
So I think there -- two things about -- -- just I don't -- is a world court the eleven million already here so that's on who we're bringing in.
Anti native born population as a very low based birth rates so immigration is how much you grow in the future so it's up to us to pick that future that's an immigration forms about.
On that we can absolutely agree we should choose our destiny and our future we may have done so already Douglas Holtz Aiken thanks for being here -- -- -- it.
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