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Asked Clancy didn't highs the AZT could change the landscape of standardized testing altogether joining us now John Erickson president of the ACT education division.
How will it change the system because.
If you're a kid that's a bad test taker you're going to be bad guys ticker where they have a pencil in your hand.
-- computer frank you.
Well that's true we want to make sure that students all have a good opportunity to test in a way that's familiar to them and for a lot of students it's -- computer now not with a number two pencil.
The AZT is used for error college entrances and exams the SAT which I'm so old I didn't even have the -- when I'm Chris -- now and so.
The SAT there is still out there right the old old -- -- colleges choose or decide which one to take how does that work.
-- I don't know how old you are but these people he's been around since 1950 -- -- I can't I think my school did not -- to take it.
Colleges usually will choose -- in -- every college in the country will take either test some prefer one or the other but it's usually a student choice or apparent choice.
We find that more and more students are taking the EC -- -- quote the most students take the ACT now.
And partly is because it's reflects what they do in school and in the classroom so it has -- -- of familiarity for them.
Brand and in talking to parents who have kids who have taken these test it's it really depends on the -- -- right if your kid is better at science and social studies that there for them.
As most of the SET is just really verbal and math.
The ACP does go to science and has little bit upper level -- It's a little bit broader test let's talk about -- then this divide that we could potentially create you know you have a kid that's very tech savvy teenagers are very tech savvy.
Vs low income kids that might not be as tech savvy might not have as much technology at their disposal and that they sit down to take this test is that the second unfair advantage.
That's something we're very concerned about and that's why we'll continue to have paper and pencil and we'll have a computer version until.
The that until there's no paper left we get a survey of students since it's funny some students said what is paper and pencil -- do it anymore and some say.
But we likely have a scratch piece of paper we do well -- work on paper and pencil like that feeling on the number -- and I only wanna continues to offer both.
That's -- us old people elect got so scratch things -- OK so but what about cheating cheating is a big concern and I know that you have all these things to protect vented but.
Again tech savvy teenagers are Smart they can figure -- Well they'll always be students who try to and break the rules actually -- -- Application of of the test has more security.
Around -- than even the paper and pencil and we'll still be Procter.
But we can take care of a lot of things of Internet surfing and all can be -- done in a testing salute them where paying attention that but we're not worried about.
She doesn't fifteen is when you're gonna -- and -- to have the option to do both right and overall what's your theory I mean are standardized tests.
Do they truly measure -- kids aptitude.
Well -- an achievement -- so we're trying to measure what students learn in school applied to a college situation.
We do think that the test is a very good measure it should never be the sole measure of a student for admissions or.
For other high stakes decision that we think it's a very good measure and it's only gonna improve through computer delivery because we can -- new kinds of items we can report results immediately -- actionable relevant if.
-- -- -- -- right the kid gets to know exactly what he got as opposed to waiting like I did back in the horse and buggy days John Erickson thank you so much thank you.
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