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The China cyber threat Beijing's rampant use of cyber espionage fueling already heightened concerns.
Of our nation's cyber preparedness.
That issue making its way to Capitol Hill as the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing last hour examining the cyber threat to the US and joining us from Washington we had a partner that Dick Stein Shapiro he's had the law firm's global security practice.
Thanks for being with us Brian thankful first of all are the Chinese really all that bad -- everyone else in the world because we certainly seem to be put a lot of fingers out.
Well the Chinese are provide.
And most of the tax at this point it's something over 90% of what we're detecting is coming out of China -- certainly -- plenty of bad actors at this point.
Other rogue states individual criminals at -- but at least in terms of what we're detecting the massive volume is coming out of China at this point.
-- what is China's bigger priority to go after.
-- corporate espionage and get hold of this product designs and make use of them or to go after infrastructure prepare ways of attacking us militarily -- -- that.
Case ever need arise.
Well it's a little bit of the former more than the latter there's certainly been a lot of.
-- tax on corporations trying to get their intellectual property their trade secrets there.
Business strategies because China like everybody else are trying to catch up to the United States trying to seek any advantage they can if you can find out trade secrets how things are made.
How companies are building parts what their strategy is to go after global resources like oil and natural gas it gives them a leg up and helps them increase their economic leverage throughout the world.
Now we have that private firms report kind of indicting China a month or two ago from Mandy and and then it's day or two ago -- pentagon came out and very plainly said China I believe the Pentagon has -- warned that if a country.
Hacks into our defense systems we view that as an act of war.
And yet when you wag a finger the Chinese they shut down what is our goal here why would be and so public as -- government and call him out.
Well first of all you hit the nail on the head this isn't really a big secret that all of a sudden it is emerging at this point.
People of known for years that China is doing this there's been a lot lots of low murmur of -- Washington the cyber security community.
Mean dean did a great job -- -- report now the Pentagon comes out so to your question why are they doing this it's fairly simple.
There's a reorientation of defense priorities towards the Pacific and we need to justify the defense budget for things like carriers.
Missile defense and cyber defense which is going to be huge.
That is an amazing answer -- think -- have not even been planned three beach FL playing checkers down here but there's actually kind of arguing for flooding going on here.
You know the very fact that we're so short that the Chinese up by the People's Liberation Army are doing these attacks I mean the firm said it -- attacks to the doorstep of actual.
Building that means that they're not very good at hacking at all if we can find them so easily so how -- they good enough to be able to hack into our systems over a hundred companies and and systems here in the US we must be even worse.
Well they don't have to be very good they just have to be pretty good because if you look at a lot of corporations at this point it's only in the last 1618 months that they're really waking up to the threat.
It for years it's been at the CIA -- -- a level where they've been concerned about cyber security and they haven't received enough investment.
Now we're really starting to wake up to -- starting to see more reporting and so they are being.
Caught more regularly but the danger here is that a lot of these attacks are sort of symbol attacks.
But when he have these more sophisticated advanced persistent threats as they're called.
That -- quietly they're designed to know things about you know where your bosses.
Know what kind of website you look at it Saturn quietly come and attack.
And lane weight laser like a larva lag and then hatch at a later date and suck out all -- information.
Those are the really dangerous attacks and to be frank China's pretty darn good about it.
Yes some of companies had attacks going on for months that time and it didn't even know about that -- -- what question Brian.
Do we need some kind of Manhattan project to fix systems and -- we have some have some kind of government industry.
Effort and get going on this.
You know I don't.
Really think there's need necessarily for massive government investment the government needs to invest in itself to make -- it has the right kind of technologies like -- -- chambers and look private clouds to look back and forth and exchange information but the reality is that.
Funny people Washington in New York -- -- investing the money in and private sector and to new companies that are coming out but apparently needs to happen is you know number one this has to be a -- -- issue.
The CEO the risk committees they need to look at it may get a corporate priority.
Second there's got to be liability protection to because how do you know if you're doing the right thing.
So their programs are administered by the government like department -- Homeland Security safety act.
Use that to say hey if you use this and it looks like a good technology will make sure you don't get sued out.
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