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-- -- right now -- pretty much stopping the Pentagon says that the Chinese are behind a slew of recent cyber attacks hitting big American companies and big military and government installations themselves China says it has nothing to do wouldn't but.
A former bush 43 Homeland Security secretary internal group -- -- -- up.
Not so sure you were mentioned during the break.
Asserted that one and and things it's going on is that.
-- better at revealing what we're discovering rank and and that's what's happening but we're discovering a lot of scary stuff that the Chinese are blatantly.
Flagrantly and often consistently doing.
So we're seeing two types of things one is -- theft of intellectual property and there was your report from a private group -- it.
A few weeks ago -- actually identified any specific unit.
Have the People's Liberation Army that was responsible for hacking and stealing I -- This latest report to congress or goes a step further and talks about the risk.
That the Chinese are in our networks perhaps doing reconnaissance for the possibility of carrying at some kind of malicious attack.
If let's say we were to get into hot -- situation.
And I think that's a recognition -- -- does that -- it is -- -- -- -- -- come to blows then they might interfere with our infrastructure -- might try to distract us.
-- you think they're capable and well I I think this report.
I'm suggest that your least I'm taking some of the steps that are precursors to that doesn't mean you're going to do it.
But it means they're looking to prepare.
And a reconnaissance and prepare the battlefield.
Are we capable of fighting back sure most sophisticated.
Defense folks are going to be ambiguities.
The problem is the weakest link if you look at our critical infrastructure around the country.
-- whether it's financial transportation and Warner have power if someone -- not doing what they need to do to protect your network.
It can be cascading in terms of the effect of course a large part of that -- population.
-- that's the concern.
That underlies this latest report to come.
Here's where is that secretary and I -- It's one thing for terrorists to ram planes into the Pentagon -- I think it's actually far more sinister and ominous.
For a foreign country.
A respected foreign country not some sinister force here.
To get into the computers at the Pentagon and -- old military contractors and to do so with what is appeared to be.
Pretty much abandoned over the last particularly here.
But the Chinese of course denies it's and they blame it on unspecified -- there -- I think if you look again at that happened to -- Laporte says that the government's report identifies the government.
Demand it report identifies the People's Liberation Army so I think there's very compelling evidence if you look at terrorist documents that is the Chinese Government now are they.
Likely to attack us.
Very unlikely because it would be I'm really the culmination of very serious situation.
But do we have a responsibility to protect ourselves even against a remote possibility yes.
-- -- Really press the Chinese.
Not only on this but on the theft of intellectual property we just literally exporting jobs overseas he take our research and our development.
You give -- to national champion in China and then they're able to produce -- -- -- -- vessel we'd also be it'd be -- owns only money.
Well analysts will be -- -- frankly there are American companies do brands in China.
We don't want them there where they're gonna get hurt on the part of some porn and you have a responsibility -- the country.
To make sure that we just don't keep you know people -- offering out of our intellectual.
It among his switching gears quickly Boston in the latest things were discovering there -- the Russians were warning us about.
These sort of rebels and our minutes and done it makes you wonder how much more we -- I've learned nor our learning but -- I think the key here is going to be what happened when the elder brother camera -- went to rush.
He was there for a period of six months.
There's a long history.
-- -- Muslims going to Chechnya or to re did you getting radicalized getting trained.
And then coming back to Western Europe and some of them becoming terrorists how many of those types -- -- here.
I think prior very small number you know we had an issue some years back where some some volleys Americans like this and I -- Have some impact trained in a couple of them came back and -- we ultimately have prosecuted and -- a very small number.
But as you can see it with the you -- the attack in Boston even a small number of people can do a significant amount -- soon.
But you know what -- -- -- secretaries the delay factor and I mentioned this on both my shows that today -- a news channel and hear about.
-- these -- that was revoked not getting it to the end result at an airport where Tomlin gets back into the country.
Communication from FBI agents who supposedly -- this guy who talked to this guy never converted -- -- they did it gets delayed to local Boston authorities.
This is still an issue I thought we solved with the -- security.
But what we've done is we -- we have a structure and our legal system that allows the exchange of information it's now -- human issue people have to have a sense of urgency.
The risk that occurs when you're successful over many years and you get a certain amount of bureaucracy run democratic routine.
People kind of be convicted treaty is checking the boxes -- post you feeling that they have to act.
As if there's a compelling urgency.
So I think this is not -- -- look at what happened.
You know the Department of Homeland Security yet they have been tremendously successful.
Over the last ten years and frustrating plot strategy -- -- credit.
But every time there is a failure like this there's -- can you go back -- and see what didn't work you know and whether it's a question of dialing up the urgency or -- changing you know some of the protocols.
You've got to learn some lessons of real quickly -- attack -- we experience in Boston.
More you're attacked fears now instead of planes this is the the route I think al-Qaeda two point arrow is going to be this kind of attack -- -- in Mumbai.
We've seen in Europe.
I've been good news is that we chased him out of that catastrophic attacks the bad news is they're going to be many more targets amendment might have turned up.
On the stuff he's -- and still keep his composure.
-- own security secretary thank you sir that you.
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