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When I moved to New York for the job I was told I had to join a union after the American federation of TV and radio artists.
I had no -- union and not an artist I wanna -- dose.
But I had to I was told New York's -- forced union state.
But half the states are that means if a majority of workers in your area -- -- for reunion everyone must -- and so I did for 36 years but now -- are now I'm at fox which is nonunion.
I think it's great that there's now a trend away from forced unionization.
Indiana and Michigan recently passed a right to work laws which say workers cannot be forced to pay union didn't.
They joined 24 states that already had such loss.
Great but no that's terrible since David Matt Blunt of the American worker project of the Center for American Progress America's biggest progressive think tanks all.
David why am I wrong.
-- -- Iran for a couple reasons first you can never be forced to join a union you can be required to pay union dues to.
That cover the -- so for example representing you and bargaining for your contract.
But the bigger and more important reason is that unions make the middle class to help make the middle class stronger and without unions you really are undercutting the middle class.
But where's the evidence that the union makes the middle class stronger.
Henry Ford doubled auto workers' wages.
And shortened the work day year -- before.
-- UAW even exists that.
Twelve of them I think the best evidence you can look at the US over time when unions were at their strongest.
The middle class was at its strongest as unions have declined in power over the past thirty years the middle class is significantly weekend we have a chart looking at unemployment.
In America and it goes up and -- hand there was the lowest unemployment.
In the twenties before labor unions unionization -- when you have high unemployment and vice Versa.
Big key thing to know here is that what unions do is they help give workers some basic bargaining power in the relationship.
So that workers can join together and negotiate with the boss -- more relatively equal footing that gives them the ability to get.
It large larger pay track checks and things like benefits like health care and retirement that's great if I want to have this union bargained for me.
But what if I think that they do a bad job what what if I can negotiate higher -- directly myself because I work harder than the other guys in my doing.
And I haven't -- -- -- to work harder.
Well you if you don't like the union you didn't reject vote to reject our contract -- to even to certify a union means get rid of the union you also can work for different employer.
There you know you have lots of choices but when you work for an employer for example you know they have requirements they often require you to Wear at a particular uniform or -- can monitor your your keystrokes on a computer they.
You know when you work for employer there are certain obligations that often come with that.
And if you happen to work for unionized employer one of those obligations.
Is to pay for the cost of representation.
Says the law and about half the states that the employer may not want that the worker may -- want it what what do you say what union negotiates stupid work -- and at WCBS -- this to work.
The union -- brother saying it can't be done you can't touch that tape machine.
At some times that took -- five minutes to get out of the car to go shoot something if it sucks the incentive out of people.
Unions like any other democratic organizations sometimes do things that people are people don't think -- -- in the interest of such society that sometimes happens.
That said what unions do as a whole is they give power to workers to negotiate on relatively equal footing with their employers that enables them to get.
A relatively fair bargain.
Without that we see that they get much lower wages less benefits.
What our economy needs at this moment is workers to have purchasing power to spend on goods and services that drive our economy and really that's what's been happening for.
Much of that much of recent years is that there's not enough purchasing power workers are not earning enough money unions raise wages for some people.
But others become unemployed because of the union I think Toyota paid 48 bucks an hour creating jobs in America.
She was paying 73 box they lost 30000 jobs C -- help a -- get hurt more because those companies don't grow.
Well no actually what the study show is that.
Raises workers not just for workers who are members of unions but broader for the broader middle class because other employers.
Feel the need to compete and raise their wages on that level so it has much broader spillover effects throughout the economy studies.
Estimate what the spillover effects right to -- -- states do better.
No no they don't know the -- -- had a real shot.
The highest unemployment in the country right now is a right to work state third highest unemployment rate is also -- -- fifth highest is also right to work.
-- some very southern states have been poorer for a long time over the past ten years employment and right to work states increased by with a 5%.
In union states it fell.
-- -- can be best studies any study that really compares.
Right to work that actually controls for other factors that are likely to lead to job growth -- -- right to -- has no effect unemployment in Oklahoma.
They found actually no affect unemployment in fact manufacturing employment the kind of employment that right to work is supposed to help.
It's not saying that right to work was the factor why it decreased it's just -- larger global forces here and the reason that.
Companies choose to locate -- -- based on the education levels of workers in the state they're based on the quality infrastructure can negate goods and services to you know to and from.
And also is their demand for their product and that's really what's -- record here is that what unions do is they help.
Workers get better wages and benefits that creates demand and that's what we need an economy right now.
Well thank you David Madeleine we agree to disagree -- there.
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