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Court alleges tens of millions of dollars in CIA -- -- has been paid to Afghan president Hamid Karzai's office.
The New York Times says that it's all in the name of influencing him in gaining access to his inner circle and get this.
The paper says our tax dollars were stuffed into suitcases backpacks even plastic bags.
Being dropped topic Karzai's office it begs the question.
Was this a good.
Bad investment for the US joining me -- Middle -- -- -- parents welcome back to the show Ali.
Thank you I I have so many questions let's start with.
What did we think we were getting -- -- do you believe the story let's start there.
What if statements have been made that it is unbelievable it should be investigated but this is a story that is now in in the -- has not been denied by the persons or entities that have been part of it but in this state of war in general Tron this not be surprised.
That intelligence services have fund's national security funds at their disposal to use -- counter of the enemy in this case probably in the -- there's at least.
Funds have been giving -- or channeled through.
President Karzai's entourage and himself to sway the probably man -- -- the first states but then the other stages to have a different story.
So they say that we are trying to maintain access to his inner circle do you feel like that worked.
Well it it has worked -- the the Soviet Union but.
The issue here is that how do we consider him is he a fought an ally usually spend money you invest if you.
Information or influence.
-- ideas and adversary but in this case Afghanistan has been considered at least they post Taliban Afghanistan as an -- Now it is possible that some of that money was funneled into the system.
So that they would use it advance the influence of the probably -- and get information.
To the agencies into the United States.
Yeah seat and think what makes me the most nervous as I understand you know bribes -- -- influence in -- in foreign territory you've got to do various things whenever I can almost buy that.
But it in this -- it feels like we're giving money directly and then -- also giving money under the table.
That isn't restricted that isn't subject to oversight that is even counted in most cases I mean he can't even say the people involved who are telling us the story.
Can't even say for sure how much money ever went.
Except for that it's something like tens of millions of dollars and is at a normal practice to give money directly and then also tens of millions under the tape.
Look at we will know more is there is a serious congressional inquiry into it but in general terms intelligence services have.
Money block of money that they can you -- in the confrontation but.
At certain levels of government they are person -- -- -- -- makers that decision makers.
Who should know maybe not that deep -- should not on Afghanistan.
To maintain influence.
It is costing us that much money now when you mention the issue of investment.
It it gives it another issue was it wise to invest with President Karzai and his administration -- that long.
Not with society I mean I have been raising the issue finding NGOs and Afghan society funding women's movement students movement on this.
This -- -- real guarantee for the official on the part of -- would try to return indicates a present you know Karzai and maybe in the beginning.
That was useful but on the long run to have a foundation of power based on foreign money -- -- that is money is is shaking.
Yeah and that's really the problem is that when it's unrestricted.
And when it's not subject to any sort of controls and it's this press hush money cash that no one's following.
Who is -- signing.
Who is the right person to receive it who decides who deserves these tens of millions of taxpayer dollars that this is the best choice.
To get to this person over to get it rather than to give this person in the same country how you -- decide.
Look anything it goes outside than normal.
Principles and parameters of foreign aid that is discussed and congress and negotiate with the administration and then it goes.
Nickel and dime and everything is known outside that.
And the grant of confrontation and at the French is a quote.
I was on a lot of meaning black money that you don't know what is going.
That must be at some point in that all and and government and -- that should know about the -- And then -- should know about the gold have we -- those goals but below is that it's at the discretion of those who can make those decisions and the agencies.
If this is just one instance how much money do you think this -- there's going honor -- around the world like this and this was tens of millions.
Mean even give a billion dollars out there floating around being handed out how big is this prominent -- thing.
It it could be very close to that if you had not just US money.
Bob the other money -- Obama Russians and Chinese was how much crash that they have.
And all of the other networks that are non state actors it could be very close to that if you.
Look at the interest that they are trying to get to protect and in the case for example of the body that if -- may add one thing.
The American money given to Karzai -- -- -- -- -- west to competent principled but that's about a money coming from the golf.
-- -- -- talking about a man of the party venues to got a lot of donations coming from the gulf.
Cynic indeed I mean it is that a justification you think that it works in the -- -- about the money it's going against an.
You know ironically it's all our money anyway because that Petro dollars from her husband well -- We we are paying them -- but the that the real issue is the results and I did that money give us a resolved we have -- Afghanistan with civil society Israeli.
Do you resist against the probably man.
-- now so that money was not a great investment the principle is good but.
The actors -- not that good.
But -- thanks for coming on.
Thank you for having -- --
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