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But everyone now remains pit lane with the word judge.
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That was the uncle of the Boston bombing suspects makings of dairy anguished and heated comments.
About the shame he -- from his -- his possible role in the marathon bombings there are still many questions out there.
About why these young men from Chechnya who became US citizens would do this.
And what it will do -- tense relations with Russia joining me now has -- at -- For a chance deputy director.
Of Russia in Eurasia program Carnegie endowment.
We also Peter Brookes former CIA operative and a senior fellow with the -- its foundation thanks to both of you for joining me after the start with you.
What make of the fact that they are from Chechnya is that a piece of the puzzle is it's significant I mean the uncle is obviously very anguished and -- trying to tell us -- that's not relevant.
But I suspect it is.
Well we of course don't know yet exactly why these boys decide is do what they did we can speculate that if they have -- family ties.
Whether in fact they grew up in Chechnya or not.
Remember these kids are so young actually that they they're not veterans of the Chechen wars from the 1990s.
They may have had some exposure to people who were but.
-- have -- that -- -- Seeking Asylum I mean that that is how they came to this country one where the other that's.
That's how they got their documents and and that's how at least one eventually became a naturalized citizen so it's irrelevant but they do they did.
Were at least -- they were fleeing that country.
Right I mean they would certainly have empathy for a number of different narratives coming out of the -- case.
Unfortunately one of those narratives is an Islamist extremist terrorist story.
And frankly even if they had no exposure to -- all in person in Chechnya what what may have happened.
Is that you know being isolated.
Feeling disgruntled and in the United States you know they went -- -- may speak the language is and they may have been radicalized through web forms in contact with people in the region that way.
And Peter we care about this because one of the biggest questions today.
Is are these homegrown terrorists who take their inspiration from -- -- abroad.
You know as Matthew was just describing or are they actually being given direction.
From abroad somewhere didn't do we get any clues to answer that question.
Not at this point that makes some good points I think there's -- -- tremendous concern that there may be an international connection.
And beyond Chechnya al-Qaeda has been involved with that Chechen rebels -- terrorist groups in the past.
In fact through the last two years as senior al-Qaeda commander was killed -- -- Russian special operations forces.
You know there's a whole bunch -- ways this can happen one and number is reported we don't know if this is true but he spent some time overseas as well.
I'm very worried about the fact that not only were they radicalized in some way.
But they also learned how to make some pretty.
And where they -- and that.
It right exactly what you think are the odds anywhere do you think -- on that does that seem like something.
That you could learn here that you would go abroad in train in some camp somewhere else with another group or could you just learn to do -- online.
Well you know you keep the problem is is that dealing with -- my understanding I'm not a bomb expert but having been in the military got to be really careful with this stuff.
So either they were good.
With handling those weapons or they were lucky.
And certainly you know some sort of -- person training would certainly help them.
There is an al-Qaeda online magazine called inspire and -- and articles on there about how to make a bomb in your mother's kitchen.
So it's not quite clear at this point but they actually were able to do it so might the fact here is it Melissa we're in new territory.
We've actually had a bomb exploded on American territory.
And we don't know exactly how that happened in if there's more out there and what the future holds for us so a lot -- where new territory here.
And Matthew I imagine it is incredibly critical to find -- answers to these questions.
To figure out whether -- these are two men.
Who were acting alone who were inspired in some way by what they're reading or if their tentacles reach further.
I think what's really important here is to realize that the you know what what Peter said the unprecedented nature.
Folks coming out of this region.
You know these are not people from the Arabian Peninsula -- sort of been mercenaries and -- -- all over the world these are folks from the former Soviet space.
Coming in attacking the United States.
That's unprecedented given that fact.
It just underscores that Russia in the United States are facing probably the same adversary that's -- point that the Russians have tried to make for years.
I think in United States we got to start listening to that and cooperating pragmatically.
Even though we've got a lot of differences with -- in the Kremlin this is an area were clearly we've got to be sharing Intel that we have.
Let me let me put it this way -- you learn something from these guys that could save Russian lives.
Would probably owe it to the Russians to offer them that as well.
Interesting our gentlemen.
Thank you both.
I have to come back.
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