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The nation's capital more than a thousand students have gathered the study will -- -- Should these students even be in -- If they work is in -- are they exploited.
If they are here illegally should being a student give them a quicker path to citizenship.
Should they take drugs or drink what should the rules -- A trip back to college.
That's our show.
I know I feel -- For the biggest ever students for liberty conference more than a thousand students have come here to debate what the conditions.
Needed for people to be free are.
And to prosper.
And -- -- some of these students -- by doing internships most students now do them so how many of you have been inter.
But most comedy if you want to be.
About all how many he did -- or would do what for no pay it.
-- -- -- most everybody.
I I think that's a good thing often -- chips in my business are unpaid and that's exploitation says Ross -- His book inter nation argues that in turns -- nothing and learn a little.
But Terry Michael help students find internships here in DC says -- chips are -- and since I agree with him all -- Hugh Ross what's wrong we internships it's -- voluntary exchange.
Let's be clear John and we're not talking anymore just about doing a single short term internship getting training and experience and and getting a job at -- -- -- it.
We're talking increasingly about doing this after graduation -- -- -- doing multiple times we're talking about it becoming a requirement.
In order to break into a whole range of white collar fields are -- before you get to requirement which is that another matter.
Let's say they do what a bunch of times so what they volunteer.
The whole idea of of a fair wage for a hard day's work that that basic value that basic African American society is being threatened by the right and internships and of unpaid labor.
Regular workers are being replaced by unpaid -- -- -- these college students who work for free they're taking jobs of people who would be paid.
Increasingly students have no choice.
Internships are all that's out there -- this sounds terrible.
If you can get these kids to work for nothing.
Kids won't get paid to do you.
It's you know -- we don't really have and argue about whether you should be paid I'd like for all of you be paid the the question is what is compensation.
And in that.
To be -- on your resume that's compensation fuel or -- for John south we'll show that's probably gonna help you with your career.
Hopefully if you're an intern for one of my news girls that it takes my students.
Houston Chronicle or the Chicago Tribune would help people find in her chips for well -- -- Washington at all I think students of this -- to Washington each semester -- for Tony for your -- news bureaus.
As interns but I give them to -- a week about politics to make the better political report and none of these news he's rich news organizations will pay.
News operations here have been downsides to the point that they're losing their own employees they simply don't have the money so it's either we'll have an internal.
And not pay them all we won't have an intern at all.
But I have to say I build my career on people like you I mean I apologize from exploiting you but I didn't think I was because.
I needed research helped my employer laughed at me when I asked him for paid peoples that you think we're made -- money.
And I started asking at colleges and I was surprised that many students were eager to come.
But after word they told me I learned more from you working then from college.
And I didn't have to pay UEFA you have to pay tuition in my college it's the college ripping me off not the internship what -- -- that.
How much do you make John a -- But not enough to pay 725.
An hour to an intern.
Well at that time IA wasn't making much if I had to -- I wouldn't -- hired a college student I would have hired a full time employee.
And these kids wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Let me ask you why is it that than many of the best companies in America the Google's in the Deloitte -- so many others.
She interns as an investment those kinds of companies they paid their interns they -- overwhelming number of them they try to hire 67 presented -- -- class stare right good for them it's -- in the longer view.
But -- -- decipher all of them what about voluntary contracts between two people.
Student at a company.
If they both agree what business is -- of government to interfere.
The same law that protects interns is also the one that got fourteen year old out of the coal mines was that freedom of contract.
There's simply has to come a point where you have to understand what are the sort of coal -- fourteen year old on his first century.
That's nineteen century I don't see what you -- -- -- letters I think if -- if you volunteered to go to the coal mining your parents are OK if that part of freedom yet you know.
Hi I grew up with a teenage left liberal I have to admitted in the 1960s in my -- sixties I've become a libertarian Democrat you're both Democrat -- about six on this tour would return Democrats are -- -- -- Press Secretary for the Democratic National Committee because.
So so I understand this argument this and how we are exploiting.
Workers of the world and they need to unite and have the backing of the government to demand the government.
They have the government demand that John pay as interns the debt but why.
These people are not so stupid that they cannot decide whether they're being exploited or not it's a -- contract written or otherwise understood.
And we should not use the course of power of the state.
To demand that you pay your -- course of powers being used the last forty years have been a sort of libertarian dream in terms of internally all right and we don't know course that's why we haven't plus -- -- hi -- while government and let.
Let's just because you're both Democrats it's Obama's Labor Department that for the first time came out with -- -- explicit rules and you're not gonna -- -- there must be certain criteria.
One is the employer derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the -- Now let's be clear one -- its operations must be actually impeded.
I think I -- in turn interns -- -- my work and I tried to get credible might interns help.
Let me ask you John if if fox what did you do to do a new show.
And and they said well we don't know how it's gonna work out but when -- should do it unpaid whores for one -- -- we'll -- a little bit and academic credit.
We'll see how it goes -- and we'll decide whether or not to pay you would you accept that.
Maybe probably not at this point in my career but it would be my choice and that freedom.
Is what America supposed to be about guess who is exempted from this requirement who -- I will keep you waiting its government.
The Department of Labor uses yet they don't have any endurance the White House uses unholy for profit company press John -- Has been a lot since 1947 -- Obama administration has done nothing.
But reiterate and reissue.
These these basic regulations and I run a nonprofit.
If this rule were enforced it would kill my program all right now -- students have questions -- And they use casino -- I'm from Texas state university and then apparently -- -- at its major.
And in order to be -- practicing dietitian we have to goes to -- dietetic internship it.
-- inter chip is okay.
Most of them on K except for government ones.
So -- that I -- -- is she's out.
Forced to do -- that's.
By her college -- -- that balance is ritzy and law can't -- this this is the real question here it's not whether she should be paid for the she shouldn't be paid.
It's whether she should have the right to decide what compensation -- his compensation.
Training as compensation a line on your resume.
I just don't want these people that have the under the thumb of the government the coercive power of the state telling him.
You can't do an intern ship and -- -- that's just silly.
Didn't do anything you think that you can't decide for -- -- what do you wanna be paid when dollars as opposed to a line on your resonate.
-- that -- I know you're not because I have -- with -- -- for the last 24 years -- Smart enough to know whether to.
Volunteer labor -- not.
Hi my name is Michael -- -- and I go to the universe and -- College Park and have a question for mr.
Coming to this from an economics perspective we know that markets tend to move toward equilibrium.
And that is they tend to find the correct price for many different things labor being one of them.
And we know that if a person is being paid below the wage that she would get on the market for its true value then another company will see that extra profit that he's -- and and would -- -- to capture some of that profit.
So my question is why does this work so well on done non into chip market but all the -- are being paid.
Nothing essentially as -- say how come the market suddenly doesn't work could be as mr.
-- said that they receive non monetary compensation such as outlined -- -- resonate.
It's become a requirement.
And where does not actually a literal requirement for our.
You know completing a degree it's something that has become a virtual gateway or requirement blocking access to kind of pay to -- system we simply have to be able to to do this.
So I think it's having a distortion area effect on on on the market and -- means that all -- of people are going towards it and coming gauging NA NA in a race to the bottom.
That is leading us -- record levels of youth unemployment and record levels of unpaid internships and there's a clear connection between the two.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- said you were unpaid intern.
Got pretty well you have a -- -- that exploits the whole.
Perceived -- rather than real problem of exploited interns.
You know I think again -- you can you have this mentality that somehow these people are being exploited.
I think they have enough sense to make decisions for themselves.
I have my name is EM I'm actually at college drop out because I am an internship success story.
What do you think about something like that I own a business now because that college was literally teaching -- nothing.
In my intern -- taught me everything.
I'm glad -- yours did and I'm and I'm glad that many people's internships do work.
But the reality is that more and more people are getting caught -- internship trapped in the coming serial interns having 345 or more of them.
And that he's unemployment is at record highs.
So we need to rethink the system as a society even though they're good examples -- work.
We could band that and it would ban the so called exploitation it would also ban opportunity.
I say thank you Ross -- on teary Michael coming up.
Why -- you people even in college.
Many -- -- get a -- things off we'll talk about that.
When we come back.
Back but somehow -- savings from the students for liberty conference.
So I hate to say this she used students but you -- soccer.
If you pay college tuition.
He -- ripped off.
All right that's probably not fair some of you are learning a lot some will get jobs because of your education but many -- you will pay.
Dollars and get little more than debt.
The reason dale Stephens dropped out of college and founded the website on college died or.
It offers people ways to learn get ahead without college in his book.
-- here education to subtitled ditch the lectures save tens of thousands and learn more than your peers ever well.
So what do you mean more than your peers is a reason people go to college.
The reason people go to Collins do if they're told him that's what your parents have done in your counselors tell you to announcement societies is you do if you wanna be successful -- life.
But that also means that you have to learn exactly what they tell you -- -- sort of things that you want to learn for interest.
-- I just wanted to learn comic books and about girls I wouldn't have learned anything if I didn't have a college directing maybe you would have -- a comic book about girls.
And people go to your website and tell you.
You help me drop out and I'm doing better.
Absolutely and we we have -- I -- -- about 151000 people around the world who are actively doing.
I creative things with their education instead of going to schools there's people like.
Hunter Pena dropped out of the University of Florida and is now in an an artist is getting murals commissioned things like that.
Thomas Summers who convinced a nineteen -- them you space -- -- -- -- -- solar powered computers the people who were doing interesting things that with their education that are.
Being fulfilled and being passionate.
But without having to pay the high cost of college.
And you did this yourself.
I actually -- when I was twelve so didn't go to middle school -- high school.
And that entire spring Harris left you let you leave school at twelve bit I think exactly the biggest fans of the idea but -- -- -- -- I was hey.
I'm twelve I leave school for year.
What's the what's the big loss if I go back regulators who school is still going to be there.
And you even took college courses -- fun you could just go to a campus and walk -- and not -- now I found that I've asked local community college.
Professors were more than happy to have students were genuinely interest in learning more than happy to share their knowledge.
But most I -- just goofed off.
That's OK but.
Students you have comments or questions for -- Hi my name is -- and I -- I go to school Madonna university in Michigan.
And I'm -- I don't care what Madonna University yes like the material girl on us.
It's I'm going to school for murder scene and I have a lot of scenes that are going to school for premed or going to school for the sciences.
And don't you feel like it makes sense for some need to go to school and learn.
Basic human anatomy and all these other classes -- the physiology that is sort of essential TO on medical profession or even.
Like if you're gonna study biology.
Imagine if you're going into surgery and -- -- the choice of being operated on by someone who's fresh out of medical school.
Or the nurse had been watching surgeries for twenty years I would any day take the nurse ensure there is a level of background knowledge that is that is handy.
To how when -- operating on someone absolutely.
But the idea that all of that comes in the classroom I think.
Should be -- we spend a lot more time.
Being practical in the real world.
That makes sense but at the same time if you don't have that background knowledge and you just know what you do -- sure you spend.
Like experiencing these things firsthand but that doesn't mean you know what happens if you do something slightly wrong you don't know how to fix your mistakes.
Because you didn't get the -- basic technical knowledge he -- learned in school.
And my challenge to that is is that is is the best would learn that fact and knowledge sitting in a cluster of 400 people taking it intra biology.
Paying exorbitant amounts of money or could we get that knowledge and some cheaper more efficient -- Good question let's go to the next person.
Hi I'm Ryan Jackson I just graduated from school in Indiana.
I once witnessed an argument where a student defended her gender studies agree as just as down as an engineering degree.
And while I -- I can't say that it's not not a valid injury.
It's just not the same thing where does that misconception come from Missouri pinpoint source and what can we do about it -- To make sure people are wasting thousands of dollars on something that they're knocking -- -- is.
The chronicle of higher education and a great story last year ranking unemployment based on college majors and it's called -- -- most unpalatable was psychology.
There's really on that -- -- I majored in psychology next question.
-- -- any -- and I getting your college Pennsylvania.
Isn't near -- I'm schooling only really practical she wanted to start your business or some night that I -- -- be a teacher.
I I have to go to school I can't I won't be certified to teach I don't.
You're making an argument against the credential required for public school teaching.
Yes I would love to drop on a constant thing is a waste of money honestly but I can't I can't teach if I don't them.
One thing you might considers -- -- -- parents go.
Thank you dale Stevens coming up drugs and drinking and a whole foods but.
Before we get to that court should be allowed to -- to America.
That the fulfillment for liberty conference now to debates.
Twelve million people are said to be in America illegally what should we do about -- What -- the future rules speak.
Libertarians usually say -- let more people live -- legally open immigration created America.
Most immigrants work hard many bring valuable skills.
On the other hand that some people do want to kill us and now that America is a welfare state some people wanna come here to free -- Bob Dane worries about that he's from -- in the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
And he'll debate economist very -- -- if she says it should be easier to come here illegally.
But of course see that say that is -- sneaked in here from France.
And just became a citizen congratulations.
There but this is America what we should we let more you foreigners do.
Whether their high skill -- low skill there and get an economic gift to this country.
But not just to get some free -- well I mean there -- some small cost but when you take under consideration and the tremendous.
Work that they do when you look at the date -- the eve and increasing wages for a Americans.
Part Bobble want to debate you about that but just before we get to that I wanna go over that this you had this fill out this form to become a citizen.
Which I guess the whole process took you ten years plus.
But the question seemed ridiculous.
Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party.
A terrorist or a recession legitimate question coming from France right.
Can say the -- at the French government's Communist tactic didn't did you work for the Nazi government.
Between 1933 and they -- for me if you did these things why would you even answer honestly.
Have you ever been a habitual drunk -- a prostitute been married more than one person at that time gambled illegally.
Probably why -- they asked the stuff this is supposed to make us safer.
And it's -- federal government work at the best.
What do you know what -- here we are we're a room with say a lot of wonderful libertarian that thinkers switches -- think -- clearly a thinking man's ideology but there is a problem.
That in the pure libertarian sense.
You had this idea that there should be -- one restricted.
Movement of human beings under the -- sort of trans global individual liberty and by the way al-Qaeda thinks that's just -- al-Qaeda out.
Weeks we agree on that.
What about deliberate the just the poor guy here in America who is struggling to find a job to keep the job to have -- credibility.
And he is in a downward spiral job opportunities in wages because of excess levels of legal immigration application.
May not be a zero sum game but let's face it there are consequences to excessive levels of on regulated legal immigration.
You have very -- you took some economists job.
Or some economists gets paid less because you're here I think the data is is overwhelmingly showing that.
Economic growth and but the issue is actually not even me that's the beauty of immigration is like even local scale.
Immigrants are actually good for this economy.
They are benefiting.
Not only high skill people like me or liked him.
All of the people working and in Washington DC because they more than line and they watched their children and but also lower skilled laborers because this is not a zero sum game the economy can expand.
And in fact the data is very clear I actually think this is it's pretty match -- a no brainer.
So if an immigrant paint my house somehow were all richer because of the rest of us can -- your -- on something else.
Yes actually one of the things that -- -- one of the ways is because he's cheaper he makes price is much lower price of construction much lower for.
All of us crop that's been my understanding that by this flexibility of -- labor market everything costs less than weakened.
Get richer you know what you're focusing on is it's the book is the -- gross domestic product for example if we were to provide.
-- granted amnesty to twelve million illegal aliens yes and the GDP the the total sum of all goods and products.
Manufactured in the United States would grow but then -- stop hiding in -- -- report -- cover more people you have the bigger the GDP gets but that's an abstract metric it doesn't mean anything it means to this squat for John Q public.
Because when you flood the market with twelve million heavily government dependent -- skilled low end jobs.
The GDP is rising but John Q public's opportunities.
For jobs -- meaning for the growth of his middle class wages are eroding.
What would you do with the twelve million people who are here you remove them John as they are identified as law.
That by law and you otherwise allow them to leave voluntarily of their own accord if if we -- the incentives in place to dry up the jobs magnet they would.
Self deport it would be attrition through -- -- the lord.
Make -- so hard for them to work that they leave on their -- The -- dry up the veritable honey -- benefits and in the access to the smorgasbord.
Of benefits including Sanctuary Cities driver's licenses.
In state to where -- and my job and -- I mean the idea that we can keep people out there who want to come and is -- one that in practice is never worked and the government is spending more money on borders -- story than it ever happens.
And and you're still coming in -- -- can deport every one.
Is it is a message that actually -- not the idea -- -- -- embraced on the idea that the government can do anything correctly.
If I was a golf I can.
And by the way if you're worried about the welfare state I mean to me that is an argument.
To get -- have the welfare state rather than keeping people out.
-- -- -- -- If you're not legal here not eligible for a lot of wealth for some you get automatically the kids -- in school we have to pay for that hospital emergencies but.
Food stamps Medicaid.
They are not eligible for that.
And there and by the way this is improper I hit it and there is wanting anyone to say -- -- I mean fair the Federation for American Immigration Reform and some of our other -- -- -- win with farewell automatically -- -- bipartisan five once he -- but -- not anti immigrant at any more than somebody who perhaps is on a diet is anti food it is about regulation it is about control what these people rarely collect welfare they go on and they pay taxes.
Well I don't know where you're getting your data the cost of illegal immigration.
In the United States last year was 113.
Billion dollars a year in three areas in these were just federal cost health care.
Education and incarceration.
But in the welcoming the yeah.
It cost here not including the -- -- of them paying taxes and inventing things and starting Google out of luck here we are it if it went libertarians.
And these these -- at the focal point of libertarian -- is a limited government at the small government column medium but check here thinking.
Be careful what you ask for when you push for an amnesty plan because the fact is.
That the overwhelming majority of twelve million illegal aliens are heavily government dependent poorly skilled on the air up -- and ask you how many of you are not from the United States.
Quite -- you -- -- if you would like to come here become citizens someday.
-- or just a couple actually.
You want to keep them -- no what we all succeed when immigrants exceed.
We we have a -- okay here's what we need to do do we want skilled immigration -- that we do what we need.
Is less immigration and the immigration we do have should be skilled immigration less than one of the -- is just half of -- percent.
I'd be less the equivalent of this city of Dallas once every year I mean the year after year after year if you had more enforcement which is completely non US residents don't wanna do a lot of those -- Very low -- immigrants allow me to go to work.
Every single day because my -- On that no we're out of time rerouted to rouge you Bob -- thank you very much coming up drinking and drugs.
But before we get to that the founder of whole foods is here to talk about.
-- -- -- -- Every conference and I want to ask you students how many have you.
When you graduate think you will want to go into business that you're here.
Many Helm of more any more than half.
How many of you have friends or roommates who think business is evil but it pollutes hurt.
Well you're -- I know they are wrong business is done more to lift people out of the -- -- of poverty than any government poverty program river hands.
And yet it is still vilified especially on.
College campuses like here -- I was a consumer reporter I won an Emmy Awards Curtis facing businesses and calling for.
Government regulation to stop them from hurting people.
Not only after years of watching the regulation failed that I realized that even with -- no regulation almost all businesses.
Treat their customers well.
They have to because because this is voluntary -- make money by serving your customers well.
-- on TV now wade make this argument with facts and statistics or try to but.
That's still but it left brain thinking says John MacKey the man who started whole foods.
In his new book conscious capitalism.
Says business is -- noble and we better start explaining that no ability to people.
Not just numbers what he made.
Business is the greatest value creator in the history of the world means business says he said it's it's lifted.
Billions of people out of poverty consider the fact that 200 years ago 85% of the people alive live on less than one dollar a day.
Today that's down to 16%.
If we invade embrace.
Economic freedom prosperity follows.
I don't know how you would explain it to people I'm trying even my closest friends don't get -- they say yet -- some stuff but by and large.
It hurts people hurts the environment.
It takes for the poor gets to the rich.
It's not true I mean business has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 200 years then.
Any other thing -- ever existed business is a great value creator and that's -- story we need to tell otherwise the critics the intellectuals who always hated business.
They captured American business to selfish it's -- it's -- point eight if and that.
-- to needs to be challenged and changed.
In your book is called conscious.
Capitalism -- meaning most of the people businesses are not conscious of what currently not based on what we've already said today most business people are not conscious of the great value that they're creating they're always on the defensive.
They're not able to articulate.
Why business is good.
And how -- making the world a better place.
What you do a whole foods some people would call this lefties still lead.
Feel good nonsense.
What does that have to do with conscious capitalism you sold people on the whole foods is if it's better which I doubt.
We create value for people -- -- forced to trade with our company there's plenty of alternatives competitive alternatives in the marketplace.
They do so because they believe they're getting value in exchange.
As soon as you have questions or comments for John McCain please -- -- the microphone.
I'm from Southern California my name is Ryan why can't we defend process on why can't -- look at profits and the profit motives and defend that from an ethical standpoint.
-- -- -- to pursue purpose as our ultimate goal or doesn't profit have a place and our society for.
Of course it does and we should defend profit -- we shouldn't defend only profit.
We need to defend these other aspects of business the great value creation is doing not just for the investors but first customers.
For its employees the supplier network.
The larger communities that were part of -- she didn't spend all of them could you convince your fellow -- defending profit people think of profit -- He made a profit I -- the lost some.
We usually I can talk to women like you've been doing -- -- talking about how businesses a voluntary exchange of two mutually Green Party is.
They start to see profit in a different way.
And I have a lot of success -- really sit down with somebody and explained to them that it's okay for somebody to.
Make a personal profit if there are offering a good or product that somebody else.
Once when your book tour you find there's just people.
Are hostile to you -- to profit.
Well for the record.
I'm running the most profitable food retailer in the United States.
So I'm not against profit.
And what's this hostility I mean if you experience -- on the -- -- Most people see that -- believe -- the zero sum game for someone who's gaining someone else must be losing complex for social winner and there's a lose -- politics a great thing about business written in my capitalism has.
Is that it's a win win win win game where everyone that voluntarily exchanging is gaining any changes -- wouldn't be made and they wouldn't be made.
And so I think that's a story we need to tell.
My name's -- calls them from a Penn state university what can we as student activists do on campus -- your opinion to help.
Make students realize the benefits of capitals.
I think one the most important things we can do is put things and historical context most people are or so ignorant of how much progress humanities -- in the last 200 years due to capitalism the average lifespan 200 years ago was thirty today 6878.
United States 82 in Japan.
200 years -- 90% of the people were -- -- around the world -- on the 14% because of because we're capitalists yes because of business do you look at that.
Whole history of human prosperity it's it's been due to the invention of capitalism -- -- to humanity out of the dirt.
Back and delivering -- conference in Washington DCA where.
I'm impressed that a thousand -- you choose to spent the weekend debating things like.
-- Rick hi -- ideas and constitutional.
Psychology when I was in college I was more interest in an alcohol on.
Alcohol is legal in the drinking age was eighteen.
But now it's 21 and most college students are younger than that and of course drugs early -- -- -- those students I assume no have you ever drinks or uses drugs right.
I don't want to Hedo incriminate yourself your parents may be watching I -- how many do you think that most college students.
Break the drug or alcohol -- -- Now just about everybody.
This shows special correspondent Kennedy was a TV personality and MTV when she was here and she was -- -- So that you grew up in the music business and there was no law breaking drug use their.
I assume the.
Doesn't that would not mind because I mean choice to be street -- which with it was very boring for me but there were drugs not Colin.
Do you have seeing some marital relations by unmarried the -- around me that I didn't participate in but.
So you were very straight can't you were twenty years old -- you were at MTV and musicians would ask you for drugs yes actually I'm glad graphic John because I wrote a whole look about.
The ninety's and then TV in that air -- and there's no chapter dedicated dead rock stars who tried to buy drugs from me.
What -- they say.
You know -- behind -- heroin.
Like Susan look at me.
I looked like you can who Lili Pulitzer and a homeless encampment.
So let's take here comments from students.
Questions or comments come to the microphone.
I my name is bill -- and from University of Illinois.
And so I don't of other people here saw the same the united but when I was in middle school and high school.
I felt like.
You know the bad kids are ever had more access to things like marijuana than they -- alcohol.
And it marijuana is the one that's illegal and ties and asking NGOs know of any study -- that have shown that when you.
Make things illegal and put them in the black market is actually easier -- -- they get him.
And that is with younger people in in the Muslim -- -- -- it's much easier for them to get access to marijuana then it is.
Alcohol it is.
The hearts started the -- they just ask the -- that's what it's easier to UNESCO which when you were under -- which was easier to get alcohol.
So and reefer madness that.
Someone in Eugene correct -- and -- state university.
How -- we -- debate from Maine health issue debate so weak personal right personal responsibility -- it.
Expose people to nationalism and I would say.
Show me your friends America's longest war it really opened my eyes to a lot of statistics and stories.
That I was nowhere and that's all -- it's a great entry point for not libertarians and liberals then the drug -- is a great issue.
Because you know hit it -- But on the foundation -- a -- and and it is worth fighting for because there aren't dire consequences if we turn back on it.
And you listen to the party line.
Drugs -- -- and I didn't.
Red state there was -- as I would like also like to answer your questions and my answer is.
I struggled with us to what I was first learning about liberty and -- -- said that this older stuff -- guy at the Cato Institute.
OK I can see marijuana being legal.
Ecstasy but it was scary stuff heroin crack it's.
Frightening what might people do and he said well do you own your own body or not.
And I would think self ownership ought to be a powerful argument.
And then I mean it was coming down from California act I really view I think that I should be legalized.
And we say this because.
The government shouldn't tell us what to continue might not.
I tend T think I legalizing experience allowing people tend to get access to -- I feel like the government -- just as we see it.
Start regulating and get into attacks and putting seeking -- -- kind of.
That's really interesting question and it's something that divide libertarian -- is it is -- more having illegal invasion if there is regulation you know because.
That they -- or hurdle to overcome.
And parents saying that any time you can only live like that the first step and then you can have the regulatory debate.
Later on but.
Having drumbeat illegal in downright deadly it's dangerous and you know Ron Paul always made that point which was.
Let's heroin was made legal right now and go out whom Jack there mainly -- when I mean it's it's -- Nina like springing into the rock and -- Some people like to -- that people who support the laws say many more people would use that's intuitive.
But there is no evidence of that -- in Portugal where they decriminalized there's no more drug use and Holland where -- -- an eagle fewer kids smoke so.
We won't be able to resolve this tonight thank you Kennedy.
Now I want to tell you college students that may be.
You should drop product college so Rick Fox college that's next.
You could call me a hypocrite.
Because tonight I -- college called an expensive waste for many of -- students and yet.
I have a good job and I got it because I went to college my first -- believe that hiring people who graduated from Princeton Taylor Dartmouth.
I benefited from that.
Credential -- disbelief that a college degree is evidence of a certain level of skill or knowledge and some employers believe that.
Let's allow C student.
My classes were mostly lectures a pompous professor -- role -- gone.
I retained barely enough for what he setter the reading to pass tests.
But I didn't really learn much in college.
What I learned about alcohol poker dating and how to live with six to filthy roommates and smoked cigarettes.
And that taught me a lot but.
If that's what you learn what -- learning college I don't see why you need to spend 200000.
Over four years to get that and that's typically what many -- you spent.
Tell you to get ahead you have to go to college.
We need to get your college and gets you ready for college kids to college it's graduated from college.
Graduates from four year colleges earn nearly twice as much as high school graduates.
An estimated one million dollars more.
Over a lifetime.
A million dollars that million dollar figures impressive.
And true but utterly misleading.
It's based on comparing salaries of high school vs college -- -- but that leaves out the fact that you college students.
Are different from people who don't go to college.
You go to college tend to be more motivate each year's study in -- high school you're more likely that show up on time.
And so you'll earn more money even if you never went to college here that population group that politicians and colleges -- the million dollar difference is disgusting it's what we consumer reporters -- to call the scale.
But think about that before you go into debt to get some college degree.
And these days students are more likely to go into debt because over the past 25 years inflation was about a 100%.
College tuition went up.
Tuition goes way up because politicians handouts so much student loan money and they say everyone must go to -- Look if you're learning a lot in college in you want to pay good free you.
But -- all the facts a third of college graduates now work at jobs that require only a high school degree.
60% of bartenders now have college degrees.
Everyone should go to college give me a break.
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