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So many people gaming the system is there anything that we can actually do to stop it let's ask congressman Mike Kelly who -- all the social security oversight committee.
-- -- and I'm sure you guys must be grappling with the same issue I mean it's obvious that there's massive abuse within this system well you know Charles the program was designed to help.
Those who were vulnerable -- who really couldn't go back to work as -- -- just talking about the medical advancements and technology would lead most of us to believe that what these advancements.
You being hurt and you're getting better should be a lot quicker the -- be better people should be returning to work but maybe -- made it.
Too easy to stay on disability may we -- is so easy to stay there that we've taken away the incentive to get up and go back to work in that situation the countries -- reggae you know we've got veterans who returning from my Iraq.
And in Afghanistan.
You know I would missing legs and they go out and look for jobs and find jobs and you know so.
But what do we do because.
It's it's really unrealistic that we have a an army.
Of guys putting planning cars -- you know garbage cans in front of cars and things like that.
What do you think the solution would be to to stop this abuse because it's not it's not inexpensive it's costing American taxpayers a lot of money.
Yeah and as you just said that a lot of the dollars the administration of this is going into investigation.
You have the question though -- -- -- societal problem where there's an old saying used to be is not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.
If we're not teaching our young people you want to be part of the cure you want to be part of an act of a group of people who got up every morning and go to work to make the country better.
We're -- another way now where all the sudden this -- become a way of life and not a way to get through a difficult time.
But away alike there's something wrong with that model and there's something that we look -- it's totally unsustainable we've got to move on so we have to do the investigations to keep people want us but really.
It goes in the hearts.
Ever be individual -- know when they can go back to work and listen you feel pain differently than I feel pain I understand that but you know what you still have to get back up and get back in the garden.
And I have a long -- that I guess listen we just came through long presidential campaign.
Where one of the narratives of war -- -- the way I interpreted it was that.
Hey if you're if you're downing you're -- it's not your fault.
Even if he dropped out of high school even if you wake up and hit the bond every morning it's not your fault some guy Wall Street washed away your opportunity so.
No no shame take advantage of every program out there are still those saying I've got your back -- -- that's for as long as you want until you feel like you wanna read reenter society.
Well you tell you people that raised me told me look you're gonna get knocked down from time to time.
The only real problem you have is not getting back up or not wanting to get back up when you don't want to get back up when you don't wanna become.
Part of the solution -- -- part of the problem there's -- that's where the problem lies so.
We're looking at cultural changes now that it's hard for a lot of us understand but we've got to go back to what made -- great what made America great.
Was -- work -- it was their ability to look beyond it to look to the future all the times that I can be part of that.
We need to get back to that that we do have to still enforce the laws there on the books we want to help those who were vulnerable -- help those were hurt but by the same token we have to encourage those that are on the silence to get back in the game.
-- you do that by a message.
Listen the president has a great role.
He could be leaving that message be asked to leave that mess.
Let's I've been saying up for a long time and I -- I'm really dismayed that that hasn't been.
The tough love angle hasn't been applied here and -- I think food stamps a record amount of money in -- amount of people on it and people just don't come off of these programs.
That you think about it and I did some work and if you look at California and you make 4445 grand a year you don't wanna raise you don't want to lose earned income tax credit the child tax credit the local benefits don't wanna lose any of that stuff.
To make the transition from poverty.
Into the middle class because this -- a portion there where you -- actually lose net net lose money.
Although we have to to your point make people understand that you're now on the right track to true success.
How how does that message get out -- of -- control of the bully pulpit.
Well but that is the prop.
There is a person and control the bully pulpit I grew up -- -- situation where you tried opera team the idea was.
You -- to be good enough to make the teams sometimes you weren't good enough you get cut Perry uses a lot of examples here of people who got cut early on and came back to be great Michael Jordan -- one we all recognize.
But whenever you make it -- the incentive listen you don't have to excel.
And we just what you feel bad about yourself and whenever you feel bad about themselves but -- -- would do want them understand is.
You don't have to stay right or you and of course the representative Kelly every once -- -- you're not to speak your rhetoric coming you were offered the scholarship to Notre Dame football also know about getting knocked down.
And getting back up really appreciate your time -- Charles thanks so much and thanks -- you do thanks a lot.
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