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Great mentor the cyber diplomacy at that -- -- report -- China to widespread cyber espionage.
Lawmakers and government officials are at odds over how to approach the situation.
Cleared of the charges deeply involved in this.
Everybody knows that supposedly.
What have we done to say okay.
Here's your deadline and this is exactly what's going to happen -- have to be careful.
Of looking at this in terms of retaliation we want to make sure.
That we are.
Addressing the problem and addressing and the larger context of any country we're dealing with.
But maybe retaliation is a good thing joining us now from Santa Fe, New Mexico the former governor of that state and former US ambassador to the United Nations.
Governor thanks for being -- us.
Nearly 2011 the Pentagon came out and said but warned other countries that an attack on our cyber security is basically an act of war.
But last week the State Department.
And that congressional testimony said basically wants to make sure the world's aware that intellectual theft is wrong and wants to help establish an international standard.
-- our government urgent enough and -- -- this cyber threat from foreign rivals.
Well -- my view is this this is very serious cyber security.
Theft of intellectual property.
Intelligence -- of intelligence national security.
We can't treat this as another trade dispute.
Are we ready for sanctions against China my answer is not yet I think first you have to try.
Strong diplomacy the fact that the president's secretary of treasury have raised this at the highest level with the Chinese is important.
Let's see what the Chinese still because China is not like any other country we have a lot of issues -- them.
We want their support on North Korea on trade issues on competitiveness.
They hold a lot of our debt now I'm not saying because of that.
You go easy on him but I think the first steps have to be.
OK you have to stop this.
You have to stop going into our.
Intellectual property because what might lead next Dennis is some very security.
Conscious espionage issues and other issues that affect our national security.
-- which bothers you more.
And which do you think the Chinese are mainly interested in when they do these break -- because they're said -- -- broke more than a thousand break ins and a 140 companies.
Is it the cyber espionage they're gonna steal designs from US companies let's say and and knock them off.
Or is it preparing for warfare let's learn how to shut down -- electoral ridden Chicago.
I think it's the former Dennis it.
They're really end of the competitiveness.
To having that edge with us.
But the danger is that if they become more militant the relationship gets more strained.
Then it's gonna get in various like you mentioned you don't want their cyber penetration.
Into our infrastructure under our airports our air safety.
So what you have to do is I think while we pursue its -- strategy with China and Russia countries that are basically.
Don't not big on democracy.
You don't try to establish trust other countries -- Europe and Latin America.
On cyber security you don't wanna do that business is -- and diplomacy this is totally know yes it's critically important.
It's one thing -- governor don't wag a finger at the Chinese and say stop doing that which of course being the Chinese won't because they hate to be told what to do.
Actual actions we have one firm come on and they go out and preemptively strike against hackers overseas -- they see coming after their corporate clients should we ever escalate some actual counter attacks -- preemptive attacks.
And what do you say when the Chinese say -- US you break into our systems all the time to.
Well look I think you give -- a period I think hidden in your earlier clip you had somebody say.
A deadline you know I think maybe in diplomacy you do that.
You say to China look if there's no improvements.
We're gonna take retaliatory action.
Now you have to be careful while.
What kind of retaliatory.
Is it sanctions that are in law that you have to pass -- Because -- Dennis this is a very important relationship.
And so we got a lot of issues with China as you just can't treat him.
Like another Third World country.
But we have to protect.
Our security if there's ever any instance where there's intelligence gathering going on.
Whether there crippling our infrastructure.
Or national security information.
Is that more important that theft of intellectual property it is but that doesn't mean you tolerate either one right.
Although I'll tell you know given the Chinese on something like one point five trillion dollars and US treasuries and US stops and such like -- wonder whether the idea of real sanctions -- ever gonna take shape thanks for being with us today governor Richardson.
Thank you Dennis.
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