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-- Well I know it's gotta be bad because even a very fit -- -- and by the way not Hadley Heath bar is seeing red.
Says this is very stupid also -- into the -- Reason magazines always reason map well to get sick of hearing that but I just love saying it ever got business owner rob about some witnesses -- -- heavily.
-- -- -- Well I like Heath bars but I don't like this policy and there's really two issues to forces driving this first at all.
Health insurance premiums -- -- -- -- filling up but there's no sign of that slowing or changing direction anytime soon employers consistently.
Like to health costs as one of their top concerns.
Another side of this is -- obamacare quite frankly.
You know we've heard so much about how we don't want our boxes in our personal business we don't want our boxes in -- Our health care information but when our bosses are one of the many payers -- -- And -- -- -- -- at this payment system then they become very interested in how much we're gonna cost them in terms of health insurance and health costs.
I think you raise a good point that it is perfectly.
Understandable in this environment.
So watch your costs and it -- and to watch against the risks to those don't cost.
Why why why do we have our health insurance dictated by where we work.
What is that.
That I mean that's because of wage and price controls.
In World War II -- and we just kind of where have we had damage so I understand but they didn't edit this it is what it is but that's that you get obamacare could have departed from -- could have said let's -- -- towards a system where we get to own our own health care.
Where the person snooping on us is us and our insurance companies making a deal with one another and that could be portable we went to a new job.
Obamacare said no we're gonna double down on the existing system.
And cement that tie between employer and employee when it is or usurp it with the government single Payer system that takes that -- can as well Yemeni government does the once snooping in on you ultimately you don't own your own information and so this is an inevitable creepy result of really bad public policy and he says -- he's very offensive -- all -- discussed.
This kind of -- because I specifically asked.
Book and obese person but -- get to the producers after Russia -- round what do you make it.
-- you're gonna see more and more of this especially from large and medium sized organizations you'll -- CBS -- 200000.
Employees.
They're just mimicking what the federal government is modeling they're saying be invasive.
You know control help I can always find them I don't idea disillusioned but I understand what erupt again is they're there they're up against increased health care cost and think about it.
There -- public and to leave their job is to.
Add shareholder value -- shareholder equity so if they get to lower their expenses by having more healthy employees that's what they're going to do.
It doesn't make it any better because the flip side is they're going to be infringing on people's personal rights sharing information with -- third party -- hit the rules against some of this.
And by the way the notion that it is because CBS's said that they're not doing this but I just wanted news quote him verbatim.
This is -- CVS we want to help our employees to be itself -- they -- date.
Which is why we decided to implement.
This planet healthy as it has today it would be if your fast.
Don't bigger and -- I could be wrong but I'm reading end of that.
That certainly you're not going to hop on the scale or provide any of this.
-- That they've assumed here -- -- anyway right.
-- -- right.
You know MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber look at this policy felt uneasy about it said there's a thin line between discriminating against sick workers and then having.
What might be called the wellness programs CBS might be looking into getting their benefits provider to suggest a wellness program.
But add not mention the best wellness program is giving individuals the opportunity to oversee their own health -- there on cap health care decisions.
And that is and the only kind of empowerment -- can come through direct transactions from patients and doctors without all these many payers in the system.
Clogging up the paperwork in the pipeline of money and it's winning.
Neil -- Duke University recently did a study.
And they showed that obese individuals cost up to 51 or 52000 dollars -- workers' comp claims compared to a healthy individual which is only secondary thousand dollars so CBS is just look at it this is saying it's pure numbers get even simple.
They're not looking at the humanistic side of this which is what we're discussing right now they care about the -- I understand but -- I also think there's a threat here and it could just.
Zero this direction.
Where we create this master working race right it's -- benefit people.
Not people who are lifting her fat or fat and limping because they just looked risk.
You can agree not to or you can have a policy to not hire smokers in more than twenty states in this country that country legally.
You know fire departments routinely hospitals say we will drug test you rule it looking you're you're -- to see what you're lying to us about being a smoker and if you relying -- -- -- you -- -- there's nothing you can do about.
And at -- across that it's not a fan of this would some of those places like in a hospital I can almost see it right.
But our -- Let's say the case here at CVS no I mean not to be drugged and I had to take a drug test at the Los Angeles Times right that's it I as far as I know they didn't give me because I mean I really wanted to I thought I get a B plus.
But when I worked for the University of California I had to sign.
A loyalty oath to defend the constitution of the state of California in order to work there so yeah that's not voluntary but it's a job and and we can discriminate legally in this country as we didn't.
And -- -- Iraq but it can also lead to -- right part of it -- you're thin guy but I'm all of a sudden I'm gonna go to my boss say you know.
He goes to win these every day he's on his way to becoming a -- What point might we might cut him off now before he becomes Jackie -- part of our challenges as Americans we want our big Macs but don't we want our health care to take care missile we have diabetes it's like we can't have it all the wasting -- time for this understand this -- -- did this I try not to the end of free.
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You know their preferences how often they want to see a doctor or not see a doctor all those things impact our health care costs so looking at studies about groups of people are looking -- How overweight you might think this -- that worker as best putting people into groups and classes in the bottom line when it comes to health care is there is no one -- that song.
And that's the mistake of obamacare that's a mistake of any.
Current federal top down health care program that's why we need to empower individuals to interact directly with their doctors if patients.
All right I want to thank you'll meet some I'm gonna try to get my hands on that some.
You know reports that he submitted over the LA times and testicles and besides it's not like I'm too quiet --
