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That's a question many are asking after former New York -- -- pardon me New Mexico governor Bill Richardson.
And Google's Eric Schmidt recently visited the most closed society on earth North Korea.
Is this the new American to policy joining me now Bill Richardson governor thanks for being here -- -- making governor of New York fair and even think governor and other state campus.
I lets your trip in -- you think this is harming her a different kind of diplomacy do you.
Foreign leaders want to talk more to American CEOs and say to the State Department.
Well not necessarily more but to CEOs but yeah I think that.
One of our big positive exports -- our technology.
So CEOs like Eric Schmidt of Google.
Gates of Microsoft that are known worldwide.
You know like care -- men and Google and with a north Koreans signing was a rock star.
That they they took his goal goal stuff out he showed of theirs I mean I was just another politician they could care less about me.
But I think talking about the advantages of the Internet -- Eric -- -- -- other sanctions and Google can't command and North Korea right I think it's a big plus.
With the North Korean government looking at us in the North Korean people and students.
-- business executives.
-- talking to it to countries that we have real problems with like North Korea like Iran always countries that are sort of verboten.
When it comes to public officials elected officials State Department having real conversations with these people.
Well the State Department gets nervous about anybody -- -- Foreign leaders.
But I think when Eric Schmidt and Korea North Korea I think it was very valuable because.
In -- period there is no Internet.
The government controls.
Look at the Arab Spring what happened it was FaceBook Twitter was the Internet that made all those people -- to get the dictators out and free mark.
Governor you couldn't do that North Korea because people can't afford food much less a laptop or an iPad or anything else I mean we are so far from that day.
It seems to me that he won the State Department heard about your trip they said that it was it was really -- cross purposes for -- it it didn't advancing the ball in anyway well.
We disagreed because nobody's talking to North Korea what you want to say to North Korea's look.
What you're missing out on North Korea is the Internet is your people communicating this technology.
And and I think that's what Schmidt said to them he wasn't there to try to bring Google North Korea.
He was there as a private citizen I invited him.
And and I think we made cases of north Koreans don't do any moral -- just don't want Cheney.
More and nuclear detonations we didn't have much much success there could well -- Jerry talking talking to your enemies.
Is not necessarily -- concession.
You want them to.
I've been -- -- any -- -- had an even better conversation Dennis Rodman yeah you know they like celebrities they'd like American celebrities so does everybody but does it really do anything that's.
-- -- -- the end of the day he said yourself.
You didn't get anywhere on this idea of -- got a hold back development of nuclear bombs or are anything else so -- couldn't do more harm than good.
There were hundreds of north Koreans that listened to Eric Schmidt talked about the Internet.
The government software engineers professors computer specialist students.
Mean we penetrated.
That country that population that we never did it in which -- it was -- you know I was just as I said another.
I'm sure another politician you I do -- -- -- -- briefly about China before you know heavily engaged with Dan do you think we needed charm offensive by American CEOs that.
That you know we've already had and certainly huge interaction between.
Corporate America and China.
How do we have -- the right kind of engagement with them well.
Looked -- in China as a strategic competitor of ours but we gotta get along -- that doesn't mean New Year's charm offensive and nice.
You have some serious negotiations.
We need China for instance to lean on North Korea for them to stop.
Detonating nuclear weapons China doesn't want to do it although they've helped a little bit but we've got a lot of important trade relations commercial with China.
We gotta get along without it seems like to me.
Are there ownership of our debt.
Gives them leverage that we otherwise would not want them to have that straight and and that's not healthy but at the same time.
We want them in northeast Asia.
To be constructed to be positive and not be fighting.
The Japanese over -- and South Korea we want them to lean on North Korea North Korea us spend money on their people.
They are the poorest nation on earth and not on their nuclear weapons as a major power like China can do that.
I guess we'll have to wait and see Gary it's always good to see you thank knowing that I appreciate.
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