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Cyrus Innovation Exec. VP Debbie Madden discusses whether successful women get attacked for standing out at work.
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There'll at Facebook's chief and chief operating officer actually -- samba.
She says a lot of women do not leave it in there to that Korea's because when they stand out they -- criticize but when men do the same that considered.
Go get us lead us.
Well joining us now -- -- -- herself a female executive.
Do you agree with that that do you agree with -- -- bit women should be leading into that Korean has even if they -- criticized for doing.
Absolutely I think to me lean -- is more than a book it's a movement so what Sheryl Sandberg is doing is telling women it's okay.
You really know what do you want what to having it all mean to you and then having the courage to advocate for that.
We're not only talking about executives here we're talking about if you wanna be a movie star if you -- -- be stayed home mom find that -- that means having penalty you.
And -- in embrace it really all.
-- she's saying more than that she's saying take responsibility.
Take more responsibility in different areas move out spread you'll power up.
-- out how she -- do that even if -- criticized for doing it.
But I think the point you'll you want to.
You want to -- you know what's coming at.
You say that women on their own worst enemy is because women join in the criticism -- -- Athlete gender bias exists it's very meal and many -- not to blame women -- just as guilty as men.
But what's worse is it's largely unconscious we don't even know that -- -- -- We insights my favorite study from Harvard class was given a story -- story one difference half -- about -- eighty half read about Howard.
Howard was viewed as a collegial but I want to work with Howard everybody -- Howard.
Heidi was viewed as selfish -- -- aggressive.
Same exact story women and men came to the same conclusion.
So this is happening in our lives we don't even recognize that it's happening.
So you're saying ignore it.
Ignore the criticisms coming from -- a lot of times from when it ignore it and keep on pushing for more power and leadership -- in the same.
Yet it's not about just ignoring it's not -- -- of -- advocating for yourself.
Women.
Just a regular day we will take less risks than men but it's -- worst because when we're in stressful situations.
We -- he increased the amounts -- risks we take whereas men increasing amounts of risks they take when their -- situations and we have the data to prove it all over the work.
A lot people saying though it's it's kind of late one after a woman as an adult in other words it's kind of stuff has to begin.
Much earlier I mean do you how far do you go to chances around to do girls have to play -- GI Joes I mean how do you change that mindset from early on.
I have -- you know that there are there any way at all and the world and yet you know one of the best things that I love about.
The public school system that my children and is they really do a very good job that gender equality.
And they do you think it's about.
This is not just a problem for women to south and such as a -- -- to solve this is this is global this is young and this is old I I live at Harvard Business Review article yesterday that so powerful -- said.
This is -- this is a problem an opportunity for everybody we needed white people to fight for civil rights.
We -- straight people to fight for gay rights and now we need men to fight for women's rights and that to -- says it all.
Did not answer this question.
-- -- That look young girls women off -- trade as caring and loving out.
And both of the woods and in nurturing good thank you and no -- -- that are considered aggressive and get a phone go times.
And -- and little girls are are often told the notes -- -- laid back if they didn't -- taken classes -- -- on the playground or in school or something like that among late breaking all the rules by saying that's the way the two sexes fall.
Women all loving caring and nurturing and then -- more aggressive go get as I mean.
-- am -- allowed to say that as a psychology behind its of course there are differences in -- -- -- -- from -- that you can't change it but it's my roommates whenever on more caring and multi and -- rhetoric often I think -- off I think some women are on I don't think that it has to be something that we take and and say all of this is the latest so therefore we can do nothing about what their -- -- where the worst argument that they got hurt in all this it was Sheryl Sandberg is that.
We should have X number women in congress and Sheryl Sandburg was criticized because she.
It's as much as she's advocating for women she did not demand were women on the feast -- port.
And that's ridiculous I think that would hold back women if we started demanding.
Let's have women get there because they deserved last year no absolutely this and this is -- isn't this numbers game this isn't anything but.
Women having the courage to add to keep for themselves in their personal life and in a professional.
Everybody not back -- they tell us they would that was -- that was a lot of fun and credible.
But I think -- much -- -- back.
