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Joining us -- a member of the council on foreign relations Fox News contributor moniker crop like Fox News Middle East and terrorism analyst doctor Walid Ferris.
Former CIA operative and head of the bin Laden tracking unit.
Michael shore here.
Good to have you all with this let me begin Monica with you.
Who -- tar belt marks are the leader of -- group of terrorists.
He has appeared seemingly out of nowhere.
What do we know about.
Not exactly a household name until now what we do know is that the northern part of Molly actually the northern half of the country of Mali.
Has fallen under the control of three hard core al-Qaeda groups.
This is the leader of the major one he is has has one I lost tonight fighting in Afghanistan.
And he is known to be an un -- all Qaeda terrorists got -- how much we know.
We can also pretty much reduce -- that based on the lack of a strong American response or frankly any American response.
To the carnage in -- -- where we lost four Americans for Americans were killed including the personal representative president of the United States the US ambassador.
That al-Qaeda leaders like this man.
Have taken a signal that the United States is not gonna move aggressively in this kind of action.
So what we see coming out of the -- -- the failure to respond there is an emboldened al-Qaeda not just in Mali and Nigeria and elsewhere in Africa -- around the world.
Michael assured you do you agree with -- on that.
And that assessment.
I don't think so I think -- that we know a lot about L Bok -- he is probably the closest thing to Osama bin Laden that we've seen.
In terms of his ability to get all the wrong along with different ethnic groups in different religious associations.
He's a very talented man a very good organizer.
And I think -- -- he was important it's not surprising that Obama's administration didn't respond but I think you have to look beyond that some minor blip.
The American military was defeated in Iraq it was defeated in Afghanistan we've come home -- defeat.
Although the American people don't seem to perceive that the Muslim world sees it very clearly.
The mujahideen -- it now beaten both superpowers.
And that's the issue we're facing we're facing a movement that's not.
It we're all done in facing it -- and in Mali and Algeria.
And -- in Somalia and in Pakistan looking -- it is kind of separated issues.
It's all one movement.
It's all self perpetuating.
And it's all motivated buyer.
By our motivated by our intervention the French have united a very disparate group of Islamist organizations and -- By intervening there.
And and mollid as is is Michael lays it out.
The the United States defeated as he characterized -- and by the way.
-- I'm not sure that the national media even confronts that.
That certain reality that the United States has lost in Iraq has lost and Afghanistan.
Those are not words that trip easily off the American.
-- -- Not but these are the concept to notions of perceptions of the jihadist himself absolutely if you listen to them read there.
Statements including zawahiri have few weeks ago after being Ghazi he's pretty much convinced that we have been defeated and Afghanistan and in Iraq.
And we have been defeated actually in been Gaza and now wait because you may see in few weeks.
Statements by -- -- central and other faction saying.
We are now fighting the -- doesn't matter of them whose people on the ground there are fighting France and -- That got -- fighting -- international community F course and in the facial the most important thing Lou in my perspective is who are we.
Fighting there's -- notion in Washington that these are thugs these are some extremists.
Disbursed I don't know what they want to traveling from Libya to Miley and and that's how things happen not at all.
This is a federation of organizations if we are optional or division is this is an internal business guess what they had yeah.
Same flat across North Africa they have the same ideology they have a war room they decide to attack and been Ghazi.
They decide to move against Obama won the south which prompted the French to intervene and they decided to -- and the nationalist -- that's pretty much an army and -- I'm not just disperse.
Thought that we are after confronting.
They aren't -- in military hands -- concluded its operations against the terrorists.
Who had been holding the hostages and that they're gas complex in eastern Algeria it's had -- and we.