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-- yet you know these executive orders are from could be piling up like you know planes at LaGuardia Stephen because they're getting me quite a few of them.
And I'm wondering.
Then what what happens because once the president -- is the order.
Yeah you do you do what he says and and and -- and departments operate accordingly.
It could be months if not years later before their overturned.
If there -- over here here's -- -- do you envision.
Units term.
OK so here's the problem I mean we've been rightfully critical of the president for this power -- but.
Let me say this that I think also at fault here are the court systems and the congress have if the president is encroaching.
Which this president is doing on the legislative affairs have the duties of congress that it is incumbent on congress.
To assert its authority and now a lot of that kind of -- -- deregulate it shows that court and and Larry what do they do.
Well let me give you an example now what you're -- let me talk are you were talking about executive orders but let's talk about a lot of these regulations for example -- climate change.
That congress can't when it passes these appropriations bills for example the money that funds the EPA could put language in not appropriations bill saying look they're not of this money shall be used for climate change or whatever it might be so I don't -- congress as well even the Republicans if they are concerned about this which they say they are they have to get -- what this president and the way they would they deal with them in the way they spend money give agencies money.
Delegates inside the administration wants said it's -- needed to though I mean he can use.
That the fourteenth amendment to force.
-- executive privilege on just going and raising the debt ceiling.
But ignore the Second Amendment and confiscate people's guns I mean not.
-- be a little -- in there but to make the point that they pick and choose her their battles in the appropriate ammunition.
Cameras -- have a New York Times op Ed from last week saying we should throw out the constitutional except for these parts that I night and -- a barrier that's right that's right us -- -- point.
And and that's the thing is even if I just said that all presidents have tried expand their own powers what is unique to this one is just the amount of government by regulation by these administrative agencies that are seemingly unaccountable to anyone and even if I just saw front page.
Article in the Washington Post earlier this week -- the last -- for the most unproductive it'd passes many laws and that's probably a good thing they're not passing laws.
But the agency's -- been the most productive in history -- exponentially every two every four years.
The F federal code grows exponentially and that's really were much of the government.
Is is is done now whether we're talking environmental regulation.
Or whether we're now gonna be talking about gun confiscation.
You know as a three years and an attorney and I don't -- sepia threat.
Can I -- us something about this fourteenth amendment issue because this is actually gaining currency now no pun intended with respect to -- many people the last saying the president as -- unilateral power to raise that does seem like and that this craziness I mean if you look at what -- fourteenth amendment -- as it's as the full faith and credit of the US I doubt will be honor and of course it will be even if we don't pass a debt ceiling on time because the first thing that gets paid you would have talked about this -- around the first thing yet gets paid because of the board.
Well the lawyers argue that -- interest and -- -- -- -- ridiculous but you know Sabrina -- here's what worries me.
That we've or any scene.
An effective strategy and -- part of the white -- to marginalize the Republican House.
And make it sort of like the last part of the negotiating process on the cliff -- where was take it or leave it and you're gonna look like obstructionists if you just leave it.
So the house coward in and then went ahead and accepted the deal.
But they discovered a wisdom in that strategy to do not only push the house -- But it may be bypassed that entirely.
And I think that's a growing trend at the what do we do what do we would we would we say it's -- Well I -- a guy I do you think that the sort of the growth of this administrative state is what we're all concerned about.
-- I just went through the process of trying to.
-- navigate FDA's prior notification -- system it was a nightmare and I'm an hour watching what's happening with the consumer regulatory agency housing regulations and what that's going to.
To mean for for being sent for consumers.
I think all of this so much is happening behind people's knew the people are seeing -- -- hearing about these.
I what's going on between the lines if you -- on again this is on the bonus it on congress to write these -- in a way.
That that the courts don't have to read in the -- and a lot and that does that limits the amount of power that these regulatory agencies actually -- -- the agencies of the ones calling the shots as you folks went on varying ways thank you all very much time.
Well we'll we'll try to keep the country together and -- --
