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You know Republicans are starting to waffle here on using the debt problem and it's as as this country gets to the next big battle on Capitol Hill senator Mitch McConnell.
Says he's now one of those Republicans -- waffling.
-- take a listen to this.
-- -- Years.
Of trillion dollar -- -- And projected spending that no realistic amount of tax revenue could called world have put us at a crossroads.
-- we tackle our nation's spending problem.
Or it's gonna tackle -- It's that simple.
Joining us now is Grover Norquist from Americans for tax form.
Grover -- -- a lot to talk about today wanna start first and foremost.
Before we talk about what's up next this -- go broke quick revisit this fiscal clip from a and the and the idea that a lot of people you know and I might be in that camp that says.
Perhaps that was your Waterloo perhaps that was a big loss for you and that maybe this is what people watch until one -- the Democrats.
But even people like senator Ben -- -- speaker manner rather.
Well actually we supported speaker -- efforts to.
Save as much of the bush tax cuts -- -- kid.
We read that upside down position if nothing good happened if we hadn't passed legislation that was a 500 billion dollar tax increase the American people.
The fight was to see how much -- the tax the bush tax cuts we could get big permit it.
Had I was very pleased who got about 85%.
Of the bush tax cuts made permanent for about -- diapers the American people.
So while of course what we want it with the Republicans in the house and the senate voted for the past.
Was to make those tax cuts -- it for everybody's out.
With the goal right out -- vice president -- -- -- are -- gonna do it but but Robert -- doesn't -- all like the Republicans are you a wedded to your life and this -- that -- listen to the end that the plan be spelled out what that looks into a -- had to say because this seems to have set the tone for.
They were figure that out army -- they were -- perception that somebody might accuse him of raising taxes.
So obviously if somebody had to be Grover Norquist but they went -- -- the fiscal cliff till.
Maybe take a look at -- -- glass half full because a large percentage of Bush's tax cuts were extended.
However now we go into another battle back three separate battles.
Where do the Republicans that's still try to -- your pledge make the stand will be the debt ceiling.
We'll be to continue the resolution will be sequestration.
All freight -- -- -- -- good guess we're at a difficult position is taxes went up automatically if nothing happened.
Now we go to a situation where the Republicans have the leverage not the Democrats.
If you know bill is passed sequestration.
Happens at what point two billion doubt try it trade would quite -- Try it is -- cuts take a fact.
That we got a debt ceiling unless we pass a bill that government can't have more about it this bad so they've got to -- a budget cuts as part of that.
Fred continued resolution at -- that's representatives votes for it.
Continued resolution for the budget to keep going and -- that happens they're not going to be able to make.
Additional -- that's right and so we have tremendous leverage to hold steady down.
I gotta tell you I've really I disagree a 1000% on the debt ceiling I don't because I don't think the Republicans not a played a public relations game while.
I think that that that goes over -- they're gonna take 1000% and blame and I don't think that the stomach for that I do think -- -- -- your to your point.
Might be where they wanna make a -- so what -- that's -- look like what is this bad ultimately no matter what course they use.
What -- this then ultimately look like -- what are they gonna ask for what are they gonna get it well.
-- -- the point that we don't have to give the president by year's worth of debt ceiling.
We could give the but the debt ceiling for a small -- big -- We can give you about the deficit we can keep about a very short leash and the continued resolution that's even shorter what we get -- Two years ago 2000.
Eleven was to let the president have -- authority for two weeks.
It each time extract -- commitment -- -- restrict.
So those are both tools that -- all or nothing -- but I have a good well real quick look I don't with a single digit approval rating congress is gonna -- -- -- game.
Yeah to effect.
I give congress -- single digit rating approval because the democratic senate.
Hasn't passed a budget to three years asking company what they think of congress is a stupid question.
Because so people about it congress for not spending more at some people about -- congress not spending blast which you have to fight got -- -- -- taxes to go up or down.
You expected to go operate out.
There -- the Republicans are very -- ground as the president is not.
Has -- that he wants to find more ways of raising revenue Nancy Pelosi was pretty blunt about it.
-- of impersonation.
Talking about raising more revenue than almost any kind of -- -- the use the word right now I think on how they actually get to it.
So -- -- gotta go well well what do you suspect will be the next gamut from the democratic side in other words.
Working and they find more money if not from taxing the middle class at some unique way.
Now they're deadly attacks have been a class -- their goal is an energy tax.
A carbon tax and energy taxing gasoline tax.
They've been pushing this back to Al Gore and Bill Clinton did they have always -- to do -- it's a massive tax increase on the that a class.
Bubble stand there and -- -- that tax on the that a -- -- that environmental fate.
Well it'll be thousands of dollars but it's not gonna happen because the Republicans in the house are committed.
Cannot raise -- -- as your earlier comment allege they were so much against tax increases.
That they did -- to vote for a measure that their constituents might misunderstand the attacks agrees rush out.
Our commitment against tax increases its drug -- than ever.
Those people who jumped -- should we might raise taxes in the future and that of barracks.
Grover -- quest thank you very much -- really appreciate it we'll talk again real soon.
-- to do it yeah okay now.
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