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Julie Roginsky, Democratic strategist, weighs in on the American political system and the fiscal cliff.
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Joining us -- -- -- against -- she's a Democrat struck yesterday welcome back program.
I'm saying that look using language like bass.
Is not conducive to getting a deal will progress.
When the two sides get together the White House this afternoon I I think that's a mistake I don't think the senator should decide.
It's also not accurate any -- John Boehner he's not a dictator of guys actually hostage and being held hostage by members of his caucus.
Who won't let him negotiate so -- think it's fair to say that he's a dictator of any kind of backed.
He's been trying to work something out anything even raising taxes and then -- -- over a million dollars.
Members of his own caucus -- listen -- you know already Democrats.
I am hello.
Is shutting up the praise for news I'm not signing of -- -- for much -- a pity for and I feel bad for the guy and a missing this for weeks at -- Lawson told caucus buying.
Not gonna point blame by the side -- -- do it doesn't look what we've got a deal it would -- a real mess and I'm not pointing the finger of blame on either side period.
I'm saying we've got a fundamental problem with America's political system.
Seems to me like -- we do is spend money in return on the buying votes what you side.
Well I think it's actually even more fundamental than that there's something called gerrymandering this country which is how we draw congressional districts and when you have congressional districts that are not competitive.
It's that either party scared not of being defeated by the opposing party for being defeated by primary voters somebody either Republicans and a -- they're being.
Killed by people to -- of them Democrats the left of them.
That makes you go to the -- Clinton put it makes you become more fundamental in your beliefs on either side and that's not -- and telcos you know we'll.
The President Obama has been the least obstructive president I think since LBJ even going back to FDR he's got stimulus is that Dodd-Frank is that health reform cash for clunkers.
Classroom cancer white where the GM Chrysler -- -- lets you name it what we're seeing now is thirteen Democrats in the senate are vulnerable.
If they go along with basically tax increases there in solid red states.
And I think Harry Reid knows that and Harry Reid is also.
Hostage to his own caucus and it's -- well -- do not -- grew about but I think because Harry -- don't forget pass legislation to raise taxes on people over to -- not coming -- Harry -- and talking about this tentative yes and it but he can't -- thirteen votes Harry -- but he did get them -- got -- last year -- few months ago back in July believe -- -- voted to raise taxes on anybody -- -- -- and it -- you all remember that reversing a -- heading into the mid terms people have short term memory right when they see the -- going -- with the fiscal cliff.
Both say wait a second in those thirteen Democrats are on a knife edge right now I haven't they they're very I think I think -- that thirteen Democrat.
Have seen the same polling because all people do with the pulling in the running for election -- -- that essentially voters overwhelmingly believe.
You have to raise taxes on would be considered to be the -- OK and so I -- -- in writing that black is well well but.
It in this sense if you look at cluttered fifty that I have no idea but but that's not so according to the polls and these people are running for real okay especially in those states that is look in those states.
But let's suppose we get higher taxes on people making over 200 and they're -- thousand dollars a year -- I -- I think that's what's gonna happen but that doesn't solve anything.
-- to -- souls absolutely nothing well I nothing -- in the tough because -- -- with its.
This is a spending problem you know that should I suspend its boat and hits a revenue problem and a spending probably don't.
I want the government instilling Haskell yeah trillion but other -- now at pre recession levels.
Wells in terms of the revenue the federal government but you're also forgetting the spending now has the lowest level since the don't know that's.
It reported one point one point seven per -- annual income is under Reagan it was eight point seven.
If you agree with me that we got a fundamental political problem without system Kia -- how do we get out of this I'll tell you how we get will cut -- -- what the campus is gonna.
A very sharp drop in the stock market a downgrade.
Of our treasury debt.
Or a debt crisis where people stop lending this money now that we don't want any of those have happened but that's what you -- -- happen.
Fortunately we had effect in 2008 we had a massive crisis and for awhile.
People -- together and then whenever you know everything like that just having -- that nothing has I -- -- nothing -- well you know you -- -- happen and then and then lift the -- Obama's comments to ABC -- Look at his level spending vs -- no no -- up look at a trillion dollar deficit every single -- last -- -- the next OK but the budget control lack last year.
Cut one point five trillion in spending -- go to get caught in the -- for future energy but it isn't over a ten year period outlook -- Pick you up when it went really the only way what you know.
I insist on a fact that.
President Obama's plan he says -- the deficit does not.
It restricts future increases in the deficit -- at a 24 trillion in debt in 2016.
Foot on the big twenty trillion dollars and.
In every state -- even if -- yes let -- -- -- -- yet addressed the question I'm addressing the question why you have you -- have an answer you and I do and yesterday you and I have a fundamental disagreement.
Whether in a situation like this for the economy's soft whether the governments to cut spending I now believe it does.
You believe it doesn't have a fundamental disagreement as to how to proceed forward.
In order to to -- -- -- I -- my position -- -- what we need more than anything else is to stimulate the private sector and you do that with -- spending.
And we need to control long -- entitlement spending.
We have to reform entitlement program I that would fix I agree with you on the latter I don't agree with non -- where's the president's reform program for cobra the second for when you're talking about the president of -- -- that proposed.
Having chains CPI.
Which is after deciding that -- -- miniscule -- eight minutes you.
Ended -- -- -- so what do you propose doing whatever to Medicare Medicaid no children now eleven and always what you cycle.
It's not true but what what.
What -- you raise the eligibility age for Medicare 65 to 67.
What are you raise the retirement age from 66 or whatever it is to seventy what did you do that wealthy blooded -- test many -- what it is that.
What do you what do you introduce competition at amongst us healthcare providers within Medicare what you do that would you agree it would means testing social security and that you're paying more than and yes -- -- you more than get them long term reform yes -- -- -- I've -- about this president three of this president has before has given.
Absolutely no reform plan apt went.
All I can every few months -- it for a few months ago sitting in this very chair my friend in your yelling at me and the Democratic Party that cutting 716.
Billion dollars in Medicare -- because they come -- They put it back now all of a sudden he wanted to come and then you'll want to -- what.
No -- -- do you yeah now has about a month ago you went back in again I don't know I'm sitting here you think it was double -- I didn't know what listener Ronnie -- -- you have laugh all up and down there was soon.
-- -- -- Yeah usually of the -- and it was a good.
It's -- yeah.
You don't get it I'd get it you don't go to get -- -- but I guess this.
President does not get it since we've had last one real fast shovel ready stimulus in the presently -- an increment of Germany and South Korea.
To that debt and we still up 23 million people unemployed or underemployed.
I gotta tell -- some of the government still think humor and dot com housing bubble land but the way it's been spending.
It hasn't reset itself -- DC that whole area is.
In bubble territory and -- -- last -- got ten seconds ago I can say is of fundamental disagreement as to when an economy like this need to cut government spending or not I don't -- -- do you believe modest long time you cut its long term yes long term I do not might not now and you cut tax rates to stimulate the private -- OK well I cannot do and we did that under bush and -- how to -- with tax -- -- that has -- US economy next hour.
-- you cut rates already cut economists are all you crazy I'll get -- in the first years of the bush administered.
Okay what strait up ignore ignore -- -- LT eight women.
48 straight months of job gains you'll he got on joking those dot finally give a -- I hope the final full yeah of the Bush Administration the deficit was a 167.
Billion dollars that's it for the year he now it's out of six lieutenant don't look at it compared the Clinton administration when tax rates -- -- thinking of leaving rates much more robust private sector can only get America back.
The way dole has been that's not an -- president actor united don't quit as president I -- way at a time our rights and about tax reductions for.
