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A woman in Louisville tries to buy too -- -- with the EBT can't that's electronic benefits transfer.
-- is basically what we would coal cash wealth that.
She was denied it couldn't body ipads run out of the store trying to steal the -- patents that's just one example what we -- entitlement culture up.
Welfare and food stamps and not -- stop gap.
They have become kind of a way of life -- -- Joining us now -- stop pocket she's the founder and president Hugo and a reformed welfare cheats hospital long time since -- -- what is he gonna wait too long.
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Food -- that -- -- -- talk about this EDT.
Cash con this lady was trying to buy -- with it.
I I thought but what you could -- with the EDT -- was heavily restricted but apparently it's not only.
Well that's the problem here you have a thief who got caught shoplifting but the bigger problem is this massive government programme because like all government programs it is drenched with fraud and abuse.
So we think about this particular industry -- the food stamp part of it -- -- 71.
Billion dollar industry you have about 200.
Thousand retailers who accept this card now simply because there's so much easier than -- in the little paper.
So anyone has any type of food in their establishment like the Wal-Mart where she was trying to do her -- Except easy -- cards now this.
Grown over the last found ten years since we've had this EBT card by 40%.
Of these retailers who are now part of the big.
Yes and it is big business it's not just the person abuse in the taxpayer.
By accepting these types of benefits.
But it's also the program because now we have massive bureaucracy.
That half that now look for this fraud and abuse in these different retail outlet.
Is it easy to live off handouts I I imagine you could do they get your food stamps you've got the EBT cash -- -- -- -- income tax credit.
Social Security disability payments maybe.
It's predicted -- -- find it easy when you were doing it.
Well I've found for myself personally it was reckless.
But it is not easy but you can learn the system and you can deal with that type of life it's an all.
I've native -- try to pretend that the pour a month that's live well I mean they don't more cases than not out California where I was getting benefit.
I lived in -- apartment that had a jacuzzi in the back -- subterranean garage a fireplace inside.
But there are other states where people are not living like -- -- back right here in Washington DC I was just in one of our more impoverished community event.
And I don't -- that about what happens though would you learn how to manipulate the -- down.
It's one of the reasons marriage has broken down and all these poor communities because one person can be live -- and that household even -- -- The other parent but one qualifies for benefit as long as they don't marry.
What is broken down in our wealth for society is that means test in Washington it's not necessarily the recipients.
This bureaucracy of Washington you -- -- have a fiscal crises.
Fiscal cliff debate let's talk about the 400 billion dollars in these poverty program that we spend every year let me go back.
To what you're doing California when when you're living on benefits what did you get I imagine eagle food stamps cash welfare of some kind.
-- get rental allowance heating and cooling allowed.
Given the list what.
He got a well wait a year oh it's much more comprehensive than that because you also get 100%.
Daycare paid you get 100% medical all of your -- call is covered regardless of what it is you can have a scratch and in the -- going to the emergency room.
And get back cover for yourself and for your children so yes you get a subsidy for your read you get placed on a -- -- are.
You know get in -- subsidized housing and or.
You know we have the the bulk -- -- -- they can -- with a problem right now -- it's all about out of the Hud program.
They get all your house and subsidies section eight that's the word I was look at -- you also -- as you're saying you get the subsidies for your food and those food subsidies under the Department of Agriculture a massive it's not just the foods that you qualify -- -- -- your children qualify for food at school so it's a very very lengthy.
System that we have developed in this country that we should start peeling away if you know how to play it you're telling me you can get.
Everything just you don't even -- -- And now what these I don't know how to play it because the government has -- your case -- help you know what other benefits are available but many in Garland and sign up they tell you everything else that you can get and then you just have to move through it now -- -- -- I mean you can go I don't -- all of the government web sites we'll tell you exactly what else you qualify for.
They even have one now benefit -- that just gone there and you can find out all that's available for you -- you're you're not married to the person who is right maybe you only when -- in California did anybody ever come round and check up on you.
Make sure you well they were -- at that point remember we're talking almost thirty years ago now and at that point your caseworker was supposed to come check up on -- this is part of the -- My caseworker didn't show up that they she called me and said she wanted to go to lunch with her girlfriends sub anyone ever cash just pretend she came by.
So there are problems in the system with the bureaucrats -- those that this is just the job this is how they live their lives as well is not just a recipient that's why we should spend a lot of time.
Peeling back but these bureaucracies by stopping this massive spending that's -- on here in Washington DC.
Stop Arkansas but we're out of time but that's a very interesting window on the way -- this -- years ago stop talking thank you very much indeed.
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