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Dobbs form we're gonna talk illegal immigration in some efforts to change.
Our immigration laws.
The house today passed the so called stand jobs act.
-- would provide 55000 permanent resident -- residency visas to foreign students with advanced degrees in science.
Technology engineering in mathematics.
The Republican measure drew fire from Democrats some Democrats some going so far as a label the measure racist.
That is racist.
If not in its intent then certainly in its effect.
Republicans have received.
Or just received historically low.
Votes from minorities.
In the past election yet they want to create an immigration system that gives visas with one hand.
While taking visas away from minorities.
With the other.
Well joining us now the co author of numerous state anti illegal immigration laws Kansas secretary -- -- as -- back.
Also with us Alberto -- -- -- junior attorney for Vinson and Elkins and -- -- executive director.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- One in the world is going it looks like a perfectly rational piece of legislation that would be embraced.
On the left and right.
It is irrational piece it should be embraced by all sides I'm glad that it passed.
Within majority came close to supermajority.
A couple of weeks ago when they were trying to get it through.
I'm hopeful.
I'm not quite certain but I hopeful that the senate.
Will act on this legislation and that perhaps we can get the ball rolling on better pieces of legislation that.
Following these footsteps this is a good first.
And and Chris come back the the introduction.
Of the achieve that by Republican senators to the Republican version if you will of the DREAM Act the deal with -- young.
Illegal immigrants in this country through no fault of their own brought into the country by their parents.
Your reaction.
Well let me let me react to both bills that I agree with that -- -- -- -- the -- jobs act as an example of a perfectly good bill.
What we were doing since 1965 is everywhere here we are giving away 55000.
Green cards in a lottery.
I'm not -- many people may not realize we are giving way in a lottery.
All over the world and what -- that bill does it takes those 55000 visas every year.
And give them away in a way that serves our national interest to people who have advanced degrees and can help our country in science and technology.
In contrast the -- act which is a different bill that went to the senate.
I think that's a disaster it's basically just a rehashed amnesty.
Version of the DREAM Act I think it's dead on arrival.
I'm hopeful that -- Republicans will hold the line and resist amnesty when when are lots of good things we could be doing like -- -- -- Well.
I don't personally understand Chris how we could not witness the Republican Party and Democrats.
In fact -- both.
The the -- back to be fair doesn't provide for citizenship.
It provides a pathway if you will the legal status with some rather strict condition.
Why do you say it's well -- -- provide.
Because amnesty is anything that gives the illegal alien what he has stolen from the United States which is presence in the united artists -- -- still achieve back cottage particulates.
Well a little -- problem.
The achieve act gives you basically a green card -- -- permanent resident status forever so even though you don't get citizenship you get to stay here forever in in and there are other benefits come -- being here now that the question of stealing.
It's the point is.
If you're giving someone.
Lawful presence which is not data NAFTA way to lock pickers didn't go through the -- I got -- -- in here and I appreciate you look at penchant for detail but.
-- we've got time constraints.
All your reaction to both of these.
These legislative.
Not sure about this is our and our legislature.
Sure -- says every -- -- as a as a piece of legislation is a very solid.
Step forward -- there's practically zero unemployment within stem fields but really the House of Representatives could have done better.
We are as a country actually need workers at pat.
Who are skilled engineers but also who are still farm -- and when you look when you talk back to agricultural industry they actually need their own version of -- -- -- her little worried about doing what's been done for the past seven years and that's through Iraq.
Well quibble.
And let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
