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Right now senator James then hop presenting a petition with 151000 signatures on it urging congress to prevent the EPA.
From imposing what they call harsh rules on air quality -- carbon emissions.
Our next guest should have an opinion or two on this -- how it affects sell oil and gas and business and everything else because she's the former EPA administrator.
Also the former governor of the state of New Jersey Christine Todd Whitman.
Good to see governor probably going to be here as always for coming in.
I know this groups called the EPA -- quote.
Rogue agency which if you once headed up would -- all -- following the thing that congress conveniently forgets is that they set it up and they wrote the rules that require the agency to act at certain times.
Within certain frameworks now.
They can be agency can clearly over interpret there mandate.
And house -- archived at times yes absolutely they have at times but on the other hand.
They were established because we were seeing real negative in economic impacts from bad air quality from -- help from pollution and things like that so.
Gotta be careful not to throw the baby out of bath water here.
I think that the concerns from businesses far and wide one the ozone air quality and industrial boiler regulations that -- -- -- One what that would do to new power plants what that would -- to coal power plants and then you look at the oil and gas business rules on fracking on them.
Exploration for natural gas and then the abuse potentially of existing powers that the EPA by adding -- inspections request for proposals.
Mean you name -- there are near it concerns about with the EPA will do and is doing now.
Well there was happen I mean that's been something that that happens every top every time you begin to propose even start the process of proposing -- regulation.
You start to gin up the lawyers and eventually you end up and coordination most of these -- -- -- driven by -- they.
Regulations that establish the laws establishing PH that you have to make certain decisions within certain time frames.
Then at their legal decisions or are they are agreements that the agency has come to win the various.
People who and interlocutors.
I also think that driven by and you hit on this and your first -- they also they're driven to some extent by profit loss of -- summit.
On the corporate side of it and you were saying how the economic benefit sometimes -- in favor of imposing these regulations on -- business is gonna committed say no this is raising our cost so.
Again you've written that there is a balance I mean eight.
I keep hearing that all our economic woes are due to the Environmental Protection Agency anyone -- little -- -- status in 1970 between 1970 and -- Nine to mid 1990s our economy did pretty darn well that's when EPA was.
Really implementing a whole bunch of regulations they were brand new to everybody so.
It's not that is finding that balance where you are protecting public health and the environment -- not stopping the economy from growing but one thing I will tell you.
That the agency does -- times is it is over reaches and it goes and establishes regulations for which there are no technologies to meet.
And what you have to do a stranger midway point there because I've also found their company shall say no -- -- can't possibly do this and then the -- that's not economically feasible then all of a sudden right away and they do very well.
That's the concern about the Obama administration's EPA that it's overreaching and over staffing and I will not only cost businesses more money and hurt our economy that way.
But ultimately it will cost the American people more money if you make.
Drop in a car power generation a great deal more expensive.
Well it's there's definitely that potential for costing more money the thing you've got to work against -- how much do you lose down the line when if you don't take some of these steps that could help.
Prevent some of the other things that we see happening and prevent.
Bad health and premature deaths and asthma and all those things which also cost our economy and society you have to still a lot of these -- I mean you're gonna ballot -- you -- post 9/11 and everything else when you were we were there at the world trade since about try to get.
At what you're seeing here you do you think the current administration is overstepped its bounds or or they're handling it about right your -- that -- -- they backed off everything right before the election haven't done can -- an air quality at all and they they held a lot of those back I haven't looked at all the rules so I can't tell you about all of them I will tell you I think some of them were our.
Are pushing the envelope.
Again sometimes they push the envelope because that's the way that they weren't technology forward but that's something that I I always have a skepticism when there's an immediate.
-- -- -- you can't possibly do this does that sound so many times that if you actually sit down with the people and say and that's what I think they probably have not done in the way that they could or should do.
Which is bring everybody to the table and sit down to how do we reach this goal.
Understand we're were coming from -- our responsibility is how do we do this together so that you can continue create jobs Christie Todd Whitman governor -- bankruptcy thank you -- -- aren't.
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